Why is there a wiwj at the end in the kinetic energy expression?

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The discussion centers on the expression for kinetic energy involving angular momentum, specifically why the term includes both ωi and ωj rather than just ωi². It highlights that the inertia tensor I_ij is generally non-zero for non-isotropic bodies, necessitating the inclusion of cross terms like ωiωj. The symmetry of the inertia tensor allows for a coordinate system where it can be diagonalized, simplifying the expression to terms like I_11ω1², I_22ω2², and I_33ω3². The conversation also touches on the second-order polarization expression, questioning the inclusion of mixed terms like ExEy. Ultimately, the inclusion of both ωi and ωj reflects the need to account for interactions between different axes in the system.
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Hi

If i want to express the kinetic energy for some angular momentum, I can write

<br /> T=\frac{1}{2}\sum_{ij}{I_{ij}\omega_i\omega_j}<br />

I cannot quite see why we have wiwj at the end, and not just wi2. It is not that obvious to me. I have read several examples regarding polarization and electric fields, and they make perfectly good sense. But in the case with the KE, I'm a little confused. Can somebody perhaps shed some light on this?Niles.
 
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In general bodies are not isotropic and coordinate axis are arbitrary, so I_{ij} =/= 0, i =/= j.
But since I_{ij} = I_{ji}, you can always choose axis in such a way that I_{ij} = 0, i =/= j.
 
quZz said:
In general bodies are not isotropic and coordinate axis are arbitrary, so I_{ij} =/= 0, i =/= j.
But since I_{ij} = I_{ji}, you can always choose axis in such a way that I_{ij} = 0, i =/= j.

Thanks. But does that also explain why wiwj at the end, and not just wi2?
 
Or e.g. another example: Why is it that we have two different factors of E in the expression for the second-order polarization?

<br /> P_i^{(2)} = \sum_{jk}{\chi_{ijk}E_jE_k}<br />

What I cannot understand in this case is that the electric field comes in with a certain direction, so why do we even consider elements such as ExEy?
 
In general, the expression quadratic in \omega will have the form I_{ij}\omega_{i}\omega_{j}.

Since I_{ij} is symmetric you can choose a special coordinate system where it is diagonal. In this special case you will have I_{11}\omega_1^2 + I_{22}\omega_2^2 + I_{33}\omega_3^2.
 
In the case with

<br /> <br /> P_i^{(2)} = \sum_{jk}{\chi_{ijk}E_jE_k}<br /> <br />

can we also always represent the choose a coordinate system where x it is diagonal?
 
don't know =) but what if not?
 
Niles said:
Thanks. But does that also explain why wiwj at the end, and not just wi2?
Sure it does. The i and j are different and terms like wxwy are not part of the sum over wi².
 
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