Why is water pressure increased in a plastic bag in a bucket?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of enhanced water absorption in clay when placed in a sealed plastic bag submerged in a 5-gallon bucket of water, referred to as scenario D. Participants concluded that the increased pressure from the surrounding water in the bucket, combined with the sealed environment of the bag, facilitates more effective water infiltration into the clay compared to scenarios B and C, where the clay is either submerged directly in water or in a bag without external pressure. The role of density differences and potential chemical interactions, such as pH changes, were also highlighted as factors influencing the absorption process.

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  • #31
ImaginaryTango said:
...when you say the bag prevents or slows some kind of exchange - but wouldn't it be that it allows or speeds up an exchange, not slowing it down?
Why? The bag foil prevents/hinders transport.
 
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  • #32
A.T. said:
Why? The bag foil prevents/hinders transport.
Okay - just trying to straighten it out in my brain.
 
  • #33
jbriggs444 said:
What about the possibility that capillary action is responsible?

By itself, capillary action will tend to draw water into the clay. This will tend to expel any entrained air. If the clay is entirely immersed, there is nowhere for the entrained air to go. It is trapped and will be under some pressure. At best, it can attempt to bubble out the top. But surface tension will resist bubble formation. If, on the other hand, the clay has a surface exposed to air, then the entrained air has an exit pathway. Capillary action can then fully displace the entrained air.

The plastic bag is helpful because it ensures that air inside the bag will reach 100% relative humidity. The exposed clay will not dry out.
This sounds like the most likely hypothesis.

It could be tested by comparing a bag with trapped air and a bag with all air removed. It would also be interesting if the bag without air got an air bubble from the air originally inside the clay.
 
  • #34
Dale said:
This sounds like the most likely hypothesis.

It could be tested by comparing a bag with trapped air and a bag with all air removed. It would also be interesting if the bag without air got an air bubble from the air originally inside the clay.
I'm really glad you posted this and shared the quote from @jbriggs444. I did read his post, but maybe, since I was reading a lot of posts, I missed some details and that may be the answer (or the best one we can get without a lot of experiments).

I think, when you put the original material in the quote together with your suggestion about testing with and without air, that gives me something I can test. I will, and I'll report back here - but it'll take me a while since I can't really test it until I have dried out clay.

Thinking this through, which I usually do as a thought experiment when someone makes a suggestion, I'm wondering if there might be a reason it might work better the opposite way - that maybe, if there is air in the bag, and I put it in the bucket, the water pressure against the bag helps make sure the air all goes to the top, possibly leaving the block covered when it might not be 100% submerged in just the bag.

But then, that would make that just like C, wouldn't it?
 
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