Why isn't Kinetic Energy always equal to Potential Energy?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between kinetic energy (K) and potential energy (U) in classical mechanics, specifically addressing why K is not always equal to U. It highlights that the force is defined as -dU/dx, indicating that potential energy is defined up to an arbitrary constant. The conversation emphasizes the work-energy theorem, which states that the change in kinetic energy is equal to the negative change in potential energy, thus illustrating the conservation of mechanical energy. The participants clarify that while changes in energy are equal in magnitude, the actual quantities of kinetic and potential energy are not necessarily equal.

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K= ∫mvdv = ∫m dx/dt dv = ∫m dx/dv dv/dt dv = ∫m dv/dt dx = ∫Fdx = U
=> K=U, why isn't this true? If it is, wouldn't that mean that Kinetic Energy is always equal to Potential Energy?
 
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The force is -dU/dx, not dU/dx. Furthermore, the potential is only defined up to an arbitrary constant. If you account for these things, what you get is just the work-energy theorem.
 
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What you found is that the change in KE is equal to the negative of the change in PE. Or the total change is zero. This is "conservation of "mechanical energy".
The fact that changes are equal in magnitude do not grand equality of the actual quantities.

Every time I pay taxes, the amount i give is equal to the amount they receive. But my bank balance is not even close to the one of the internal revenue agency.:)
 
phasacs said:
K= ∫mvdv = ∫m dx/dt dv = ∫m dx/dv dv/dt dv = ∫m dv/dt dx = ∫Fdx = U
=> K=U, why isn't this true? If it is, wouldn't that mean that Kinetic Energy is always equal to Potential Energy?
Kinetic energy is not integral sum of momentum.. Then how u did this?
 
Orodruin said:
The force is -dU/dx, not dU/dx. Furthermore, the potential is only defined up to an arbitrary constant. If you account for these things, what you get is just the work-energy theorem.
How he found kinetic energy in terms of integral sum of momentum?? Can you explain sir?
 
STAR GIRL said:
How he found kinetic energy in terms of integral sum of momentum??
Isn't it the "change" in KE as nasu said earlier?
kinetic energy E=(1/2)*mv2
You can see dE/dv=mv.
So, dE=mv*dv.
 
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cnh1995 said:
Isn't it the "change" in KE as nasu said earlier?
kinetic energy E=(1/2)*mv2
You can see dE/dv=mv.
So, dE=mv*dv.
Oh I see
 
phasacs said:
K= ∫mvdv = ∫m dx/dt dv = ∫m dx/dv dv/dt dv = ∫m dv/dt dx = ∫Fdx = U
=> K=U, why isn't this true? If it is, wouldn't that mean that Kinetic Energy is always equal to Potential Energy?

Note that you have made an assumption that the net force (m dv/dt= F) is a conservative force ( ∫Fdx = [-] U ising @Orodruin 's correction in obtaining a potential energy), which isn't necessarily true... for example, if there is friction that is doing nonzero work.
And as @nasu mentioned, you have really calculated the change-in-K (on the left) and the change-in-[minus]U (on the right), assuming the net force is conservative.

From a more abstract viewpoint [which generalizes to special relativity], it is better to start off with ##\Delta K\equiv\int v\ dp##.
For non-relativistic physics, you will then see that (since v and p are linearly related) ##\int v\ dp=\int p\ dv##.
 
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