Why must the ring $K[x]$ have infinitely many irreducible polynomials?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the ring $K[x]$, where $K$ is a field, must contain infinitely many irreducible polynomials. Participants explore various approaches and reasoning to demonstrate this concept, focusing on the implications of constructing a specific polynomial from a finite set of irreducible polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes constructing the polynomial $g(x) = f_1(x) \cdot f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x) + 1$ to show that it cannot be divisible by any of the finite irreducible polynomials $f_i(x)$.
  • Another participant notes that since $g(x)$ leaves a remainder of 1 when divided by any $f_i(x)$, it must either be irreducible itself or have a prime factor not in the original set, leading to a contradiction.
  • There is a suggestion that the proof could be simplified by emphasizing that $g(x)$ must have a nontrivial irreducible factor not included in the original finite set of irreducibles.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of establishing the existence of at least one irreducible polynomial in $K[x]$ before constructing $g(x)$, with a mention that $x$ can serve as such a polynomial.
  • Participants discuss the formulation of the argument and whether it accurately captures the reasoning needed to demonstrate the existence of infinitely many irreducible polynomials.

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Participants generally agree on the approach of using the polynomial $g(x)$ to demonstrate the existence of infinitely many irreducible polynomials. However, there are nuances in how the argument is articulated and whether certain assumptions need to be explicitly stated, indicating some level of disagreement on the presentation of the proof.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of mentioning the existence of at least one irreducible polynomial in $K[x]$ before proceeding with the construction of $g(x)$. Additionally, there are unresolved questions about the clarity and correctness of the formulations presented in the discussion.

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Hey! :o

Let $K$ be a field.
I want to show that the ring $K[x]$ has infinitely many irreducible polynomials.I have done the following:

We suppose that there are finite many irreducible polynomials, $f_1(x), f_2(x), \dots, f_n(x)$ with $deg f_i(x)>0$.

Let $g(x)=f_1(x) \cdot f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x)+1$.

So that we can say that $g(x)$ can be written as a product of irreducible polynomials, what does it have to satisfy?? (Wondering)
Do we have to say something about the degree of $g(x)$?? (Wondering)
 
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Well, note that $g(x)$ modulo any $f_i(x)$ leaves reminder $1$, so none of them divides $g(x)$. But fundamental theorem of arithmetic over $K[x]$ says any polynomial can be written as a product of irreducibles over $k[x]$ so either $g(x)$ is a prime or it has some prime factor other than those $f_i$s. Both cases induces a contradiction. Thus there are infinitely many primes.
 
mathbalarka said:
Well, note that $g(x)$ modulo any $f_i(x)$ leaves reminder $1$, so none of them divides $g(x)$. But fundamental theorem of arithmetic over $K[x]$ says any polynomial can be written as a product of irreducibles over $k[x]$ so either $g(x)$ is a prime or it has some prime factor other than those $f_i$s. Both cases induces a contradiction. Thus there are infinitely many primes.
I understand! (Happy)So, could I formulate it as followed?? (Wondering)

We suppose that there are finite many irreducible polynomials, $f_1(x),f_2(x),\dots,f_n(x)$.

We consider $g(x)=f_1(x) \cdot f_2(x)\cdots f_n(x)+1$.

Each polynomial can be written as a product of irreducible polynomials over $K[x]$.
There are two cases:
a) $g(x)$ is an irreducible polynomial
b) $g(x)$ can be analyzed into irreduble polynomials

a) Since $g(x)$ is irreducible, it has to be $g(x)=f_i(x), 1\leq i \leq n$
Since $ f_i (x) \mid g(x)$ and $f_i(x) \mid f_1(x)\cdot f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x)$ we have that $f_i (x) \mid 1$, that cannot be true since $f_i(x)$ is not a constant. b) Since $g(x)$ can be analyzed into irreducible polynomials, it has to be $g(x)=f_i(x)q(x), 1\leq i \leq n$
Since $ f_i (x) \mid g(x)$ and $f_i(x) \mid f_1(x)\cdot f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x)$ we have that $f_i(x) \mid 1$, that cannot be true since $f_i(x)$ is not a constant.

Therefore, there are infinite many irreducible polynomials.
 
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Or is the way I wrote it wrong??
 
Part 2 can be made simpler : $g(x)$ is either an irreducible, or product of irreducibles but $\prod f_i(x) + 1$ always leaves nonzero (in fact, 1) reminder when divided by $f_i(x)$ for any $i = 1, 2, ..., n$. Thus $g(x)$ has an (well, nontrivial) irreducible factor not in $\{f_1(x), f_2(x), \cdots, f_i(x)\}$. This factor (which can in fact be $g(x)$, in case $g(x)$ is a prime) is our desired polynomial to contradict the hypothesis.

A word of caution : to construct $f_1(x)f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x) + 1$ you need to show first that there is at least *one* prime (nonconstant?) in $K[x]$. But this is always possible : take $x$. It's better to mention this part in your proof, although traditionally one just skips it as an obvious fact.
 
mathbalarka said:
Part 2 can be made simpler : $g(x)$ is either an irreducible, or product of irreducibles but $\prod f_i(x) + 1$ always leaves nonzero (in fact, 1) reminder when divided by $f_i(x)$ for any $i = 1, 2, ..., n$. Thus $g(x)$ has an (well, nontrivial) irreducible factor not in $\{f_1(x), f_2(x), \cdots, f_i(x)\}$. This factor (which can in fact be $g(x)$, in case $g(x)$ is a prime) is our desired polynomial to contradict the hypothesis.

A word of caution : to construct $f_1(x)f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x) + 1$ you need to show first that there is at least *one* prime (nonconstant?) in $K[x]$. But this is always possible : take $x$. It's better to mention this part in your proof, although traditionally one just skips it as an obvious fact.

I got stuck right now... (Worried)

Do you mean that I should formulate it as followed??

We consider $g(x)=f_1(x) \cdot f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x)+1$, with $deg f_i(x)>0, i=1,2, \dots, n$.

$g(x)$ is either an irreducible, or product of irreducibles, that means that $f_i(x) \mid g(x)$, for any $i=1,2, \dots, n$.

But since $f_i(x) \mid g(x)$ and $f_i(x) \mid f_1(x) \cdot f_2(x) \cdots f_n(x)$, it follows that $f_i(x) \mid 1$, which cannot be true, since $deg f_i(x) >0$.

Is this correct?? (Wondering) Or have I understood it wrong?? (Wondering)
 
Yes, that'd be the way to do it. (Yes)
 
mathbalarka said:
Yes, that'd be the way to do it. (Yes)

Great! (Yes) Thank you very much! (Smirk)
 

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