Why normal force always prependicular?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the normal force in physics, specifically why it is always perpendicular to the surface of contact and how it relates to other forces acting on an object, such as weight. Participants explore the definitions and implications of the normal force in various contexts, including mathematical and physical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the normal force is defined as acting perpendicular to the surface of contact, which is a mathematical term.
  • Others challenge the clarity of this definition, questioning how the normal force can be described as perpendicular to a book or how it relates to the weight of the object.
  • One participant emphasizes that the normal force acts in opposition to the weight of the object when it is resting on a surface, but this is contested in the context of different orientations, such as a mass on a sliding wall.
  • There is a discussion about the separation of forces into tangential and perpendicular components, with references to specific scenarios like an electron in a magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of the normal force. There are competing interpretations regarding its relationship to weight and the nature of perpendicularity in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some statements made by participants contain assumptions about the definitions of normal forces and their application in various scenarios, which remain unresolved. The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting forces in different orientations and contexts.

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why normal force always perpendicular?
why doesn't be in the same direction of the affecting force?
like a mass on a sliding wall why doesn't be opposite the direction of the weight?
 
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Normal is a mathematical term that means perpendicular.

The normal reaction that you seem to be referring to is called normal since it acts perpendicular to the bodies weight (e.g. the normal force on a book by the table it is sitting on is perpendicular to the book). Hence, it is in the opposite direction of the applied force (the objects weight in this case).

CS
 
Oops, stewartcs:

A normal force acts perpendicularly with respect to a given surface onto some object in contact with that surface.
 
arildno said:
Oops, stewartcs:

A normal force acts perpendicularly with respect to a given surface onto some object in contact with that surface.

Isn't that what I said?

CS
 
stewartcs said:
Isn't that what I said?

CS

stewartcs said:
Normal is a mathematical term that means perpendicular.

The normal reaction that you seem to be referring to is called normal since it acts perpendicular to the bodies weight (e.g. the normal force on a book by the table it is sitting on is perpendicular to the book). Hence, it is in the opposite direction of the applied force (the objects weight in this case).

CS

You say:
1.
The normal reaction that you seem to be referring to is called normal since it acts perpendicular to the bodies weight
This doesn't have much meaning; normal since it is PERPENDICULAR to the body's weight??

It is normal to the surface if the wall is vertical, and INCIDENTALLY normal to the body's weight.

2.
(e.g. the normal force on a book by the table it is sitting on is perpendicular to the book)
How can anything be perpendicular to a BOOK??

3.
Hence, it is in the opposite direction of the applied force (the objects weight in this case).
Now, you contradict yourself with respect to the example in 1, and not the least in the OP's question:
like a mass on a sliding wall why doesn't be opposite the direction of the weight?
 
arildno said:
You say:
1.
This doesn't have much meaning; normal since it is PERPENDICULAR to the body's weight??

It is normal to the surface if the wall is vertical, and INCIDENTALLY normal to the body's weight.

2.
How can anything be perpendicular to a BOOK??

3.
Now, you contradict yourself with respect to the example in 1, and not the least in the OP's question:

Oh...LOL...I see what you mean...that did come out wrong initially...

My example is of a book lying flat on a table. The book has some weight (mg) to it. There is a normal force from the table (opposite in direction from mg) applied to the surface of the book which is lying horizontally on the table. Thus making the normal force perpendicular to the surface of the book.

CS
 
As mentioned in math and physics, normal means perpendicular to something, either a surface or direction of travel.

Forces aren't always "normal", but generally forces can be separated into components tangental and perpendicular to a surface.

In the case of an object moving in a specific direction, then the perpendicular component to a line is a plane, so you need additional criteria to separate the components of force on that plane. In some cases, like an electron moving in a magnetic, the electron has a direction, the field has a direction, and the normal force has the remaining direction.
 

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