Why should we work with gauge theories

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for working with gauge theories in physics, exploring their theoretical significance, experimental validation, and the nature of interactions they describe. Participants examine the merits of gauge theories compared to non-gauge theories, touching on concepts such as renormalizability, symmetry, and conservation laws.

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  • One participant questions whether all Lagrangians that involve products of different fields generate interactions, suggesting that this may not be a unique feature of gauge theories.
  • Another participant asserts that gauge theories provide a concise theoretical description of nature that aligns with experimental results, citing the Standard Model and its successful predictions as evidence.
  • A different viewpoint expresses skepticism about the effectiveness of gauge theories, noting that they have only been confirmed in electrodynamics and chromodynamics, and raises concerns about the electroweak theory's reliability.
  • One participant counters that gauge theories also work well for the electroweak theory and mentions that general relativity can be reformulated as a gauge theory, indicating their broad applicability.

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Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness and uniqueness of gauge theories. While some highlight their successful predictions and theoretical elegance, others question their overall reliability and the extent of their applicability.

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Participants reference various aspects of gauge theories, including renormalizability and symmetry, but do not reach a consensus on the primary reasons for their use or their effectiveness across different theories.

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1) In one thread I saw that a Lagrangian that comes from a gauge theory principle is capable to generate interactions, and that would be why we should work with gauge theories. Nevertheless, any lagrangian which have multiplications of diferent fields generates interactions (or am I wrong?)
2) In some books I read that gauge theories are renormalizable, but some non gauge theories can be renormalizable too (so that would no be the reason either)
3) Finally, Symmetrys generates conservation of observables, so every observable that conservates after an interaction should have an undelying symmetry behind. And as we (well, to be honest "you") make experiments where we ("you") scatter particles and see what conservates, this should be the reason.
Is the reason 1), 2) , 3) or another?

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I think the real reason is that they offer a very concise theoretical description of nature that AGREES WITH EXPERIMENT. After all this is THE key requirement of a successful theory of nature.

Since the advent of the standard model, it has been realized that the em, weak and strong force all can be described by gauge theories and this led to predictions that have since been verified, such as the running of the strong coupling, the ratio of W to Z mass etc. If you did not assume a gauge theory you would have no reason to understand why such quantities behave as they do. So there is now just a huge weight of evidence that this is the correct theory of nature.

In the early days, the fact that they are renormalisble was also seen as strong evidence but in the days of effective field theories this is no longer seen as such an important requirement for a low energy theory.
 
Ok, so, to sum up, the answer is that gauge theories are pretty (I really think they are). But something sounds to me not enough. In fact, Gauge theories only worked twice (electrodinamics and cromodinamics). For electroweak, we (in fact, "you") are not so sure that theory is working. But I don´t know, I thought that there was something more conclusive (isnt it the 3rd point I mentioned in the other msg).

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Gauge theories work rather well for the electroweak theory, too. In addition general relativity can be reformulated as a gauge theory (the dynamics looks different, but many structures are identical). So b/c there is nothing else in nature we have to describe I think gauge theories made a very good job.
 

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