Why the first fringe is the biggest and brightest one?

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The discussion revolves around the observation that the first fringe in a double-slit interference pattern is often perceived as the biggest and brightest. Participants explore the reasons behind this phenomenon, considering aspects of wave behavior, energy distribution, and interference patterns. The conversation includes both theoretical and conceptual elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant disagrees with the notion that the first fringe is the brightest, arguing that all constructive points should have maximum amplitude and thus similar brightness.
  • Another participant suggests that the middle fringe is the brightest due to the spherical symmetry of wave emission, leading to lower amplitude at greater distances from the center.
  • A question is raised about why a wave that has traveled further has a lower amplitude, challenging the assumption that amplitude remains constant over distance.
  • One participant explains that energy in a wave spreads over a larger area as it travels, resulting in lower energy per unit surface at greater distances.
  • Another participant compares this energy distribution to the sun's radiation, noting that proximity to the source results in higher intensity.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between plane waves and spherical waves, with one participant suggesting that the approximation of plane waves is valid only for short distances.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of the situation, stating that even with a spherical imaging surface, the middle fringe remains the brightest due to the nature of interference and diffraction effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the brightness of the fringes, with no consensus reached on the reasons behind the observed phenomenon. The discussion includes multiple competing explanations and uncertainties regarding wave behavior and energy distribution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about wave behavior, the nature of interference patterns, and the effects of distance on amplitude and energy distribution. These factors are not fully resolved within the conversation.

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In the young experiment, why the first fringe is the biggest ang brightest one?


I would desagree in both things, because a fringe would be bright if its amplitude were maximum, and ALL the constructive points have maximum amplitude, so wouldn't it be same bright?

For the distance between one fringe and other, I've plot ed a graphic and for a VERY VERY small lambda, we get fringes aproximately of the same size (eventhough, the first fringe is ALWAYS smaller than the others ).

So why?
 
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I'm new here and this is my first post, but I think I have an idea of why the middle fringe is the brightest...

In the experiment the interference pattern is viewed in a plane screen. If you consider that the waves are emitted with spherical simmetry, then the fringes futher away from the center, are formed with further traveling distance, which means that, even when they are form in maximium aplitude points, this aplitud is lower than that of the center.

I hope this helps.
 
But why a wave that has traveled more than other has a lower amplitude?

Wasn't the "y" supposed to bethe same after a same period?
 
think of it this way... you have a finite amount of energy in a wave... le further the wave travels, the bigger the surface in which this energy spreads, this means that energy per unit surface is lower at higuer distances, and so, the fringe is less bright.

Sorry is my english is not perfect, but it is my second language.
 
But in a wave, the energy is supposed to travel while the "wave" travel too. So why would the energy "spread"?
 
BEcause is the same mount of energy but distributted in a larger area...

IS basically the same thing that happens with the sun's radiation... the closer you are to the sun (the source of the wave) the hoter it is... as you get further away from the sun the energy expelled by it spreads along a larger surface...

The distance between the source of the wave and the point you are considering is the radius of the sphere in which the energy is distributed
 
jaumzaum said:
But in a wave, the energy is supposed to travel while the "wave" travel too. So why would the energy "spread"?

You may be thinking about a plane wave. This is a good approximation for short distances of propagation. A real wave is more like a spherical wave (or even more complicated).
 
CFede said:
I'm new here and this is my first post, but I think I have an idea of why the middle fringe is the brightest...

In the experiment the interference pattern is viewed in a plane screen. If you consider that the waves are emitted with spherical simmetry, then the fringes futher away from the center, are formed with further traveling distance, which means that, even when they are form in maximium aplitude points, this aplitud is lower than that of the center.

I hope this helps.


No, it is more complex than that. Even if the imaging surface was a sphere rather than a plane, you would still get the middle fringe to be the brightest. It is because of the nature of interference. You can think of the typical interference pattern as two effects on top of each other: the interference of two waves which creates a cosine function distribution of intensity, and the spreading of a single wave which leads to an overall Gaussian shape with a peak at the center and dieing off to zero at infinity (actually more complex than this). If you managed to create two truly infinite plane waves that were in phase and have them interfere on an imaging surface, all the fringes would be the same brightness. So the answer is: single wave diffraction. You can think of it like a water wave pushing through a gap in a seawall. The wave will curve around the edges of the gap and spread out in all directions after coming through, but will be strongest in the forward direction because this was the original direction.

waterdiffraction.jpg
 

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