Why Twins Feel Different Speeds on Opposite Carousels

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the perception of speed experienced by two twins on opposite carousels with the same angular velocity but rotating in opposite directions. It raises questions about frames of reference, relative motion, and perceptual differences in a theoretical scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if both carousels have the same angular velocity, then the twins should not be passing each other, as they would always meet at the same point.
  • Another participant proposes that an optical illusion might occur due to changing perceptions of angular velocity if this were a real-life scenario.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that if the twins are out of phase, one would perceive the other approaching faster, followed by a perception of slowing down after passing.
  • Another participant counters that the phase difference would remain constant throughout the motion.
  • One participant clarifies that the changing angular velocity relative to each other is what leads to differing perceptions of speed, as they move toward, alongside, and apart from each other.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of angular velocity and perception, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a consensus on the underlying reasons for the twins' experiences.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about perception and reference frames are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of angular velocity on perceived motion.

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Frame of reference...

Ok here's a question inspired by relativity and frames of reference.

In a funfair, there are two carousels (merry-go-rounds), each 4 meters in diameter and their centers 5 meters apart. They revolve with the same angular velocity, but in opposite directions. We have two twins P and Q on these carousels. Going round the carousels they pass each other several times.

Later, when they are sitting down and enjoying their meals, P tells Q that her carousel was faster because she always seemed to overtake Q. Q said he also felt exactly the same thing - that his carousel was faster!

What's happening?! Why does each one feel that he/she is faster than the other?
 
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I don't understand, if the two carousels have the same angular velocity then no one is passing anyone. If P and Q start off next to each other, then they will always "meet" up at the same place. It's similar to pairs in ice skating where they sink up their orientation as well as rotational speed.
 
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If this was a real-life event, rather than a thought experiment, then there might have been an optical illusion based upon each person's perception of the angular velocity constantly changing. That's just a guess, though.
 
I think your guess is right , Danger, if they are out of phase. A would see B approach the osculating point faster, and then, after leaving maybe B would appear to slow down or something
 
even if they were out of phase, the amount by which they were out of phase would remain constant the whole time
 
True, but that's not quite what I meant. My reference was to the fact that each person's angular velocity relative to the other person is constantly changing. First they head straight toward each other, then travel side-by-side, then head apart.
 

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