Why vacuum tubes can not be made small

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of miniaturizing vacuum tubes to millimeter, micrometer, or nanometer sizes, exploring the implications for electronic devices and comparing them to modern transistor technology.

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  • One participant questions the possibility of making vacuum tubes small, suggesting that smaller sizes could lead to a resurgence of this technology in electronics.
  • Another participant argues that even if miniaturization were possible, the glass enclosure would still be significantly larger than a transistor, and the power consumption would be much higher, questioning the practicality of such a shift.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that vacuum tubes could potentially work without individual glass envelopes, proposing that an entire chip could be housed in a single evacuated glass structure.
  • Research into nanoscale vacuum channel transistors is mentioned, indicating ongoing exploration in this area.
  • One participant draws parallels between field-effect transistors (FETs) and vacuum tubes, noting similarities in their operational principles.
  • Another participant emphasizes the continued relevance of vacuum tubes in high-power applications, asserting that thermionic devices still have their place in certain contexts.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility and practicality of miniaturizing vacuum tubes, with no consensus reached on the potential benefits or drawbacks of such an endeavor.

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Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the size, power consumption, and practicality of vacuum tubes compared to transistors, but these aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Why vacuum tubes can not be made small sized ? I'm talking about millimeter to micrometer or maybe even nanometer size ranges ? Or can they be ?

This way electronic devices, for example computers, could be made they way they were made in the past but much smaller.
 
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Even if you COULD make VTs really small, the glass enclosure for one would be HUGE compared to a single transistor on a wafer, AND the power consumption would be enormously higher. What could possibly be the point of reverting from an excellent technology to a vastly inferior one?
 
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Even if you COULD make VTs really small, the glass enclosure for one would be HUGE compared to a single transistor on a wafer, AND the power consumption would be enormously higher. What could possibly be the point of reverting from an excellent technology to a vastly inferior one?

I think they would work without glass envelope for every each of them, istead the whole chip would be inside evacuated glass. Second, there is really no strong reason, I just like vacuum tubes, their operating principle is simpler than transistors. Also I simply just wander if they can be made at small sizes. I mean, would it work ?
 
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FETs are not a million miles from a vacuum tube, aamof. They work on the effect of the volts on the gate, like the grid of a valve.
At the other end of the power range, there is still no substitute for the several hundred kW Radio Transmitting Valve or the 50kW UHF Klystron, both, very much vacuum tubes. There's no better way of powering your microwave oven than the Magnetron, still.
Thermionic is far from dead, chaps. It's horses for courses.
 
Sophie hit the nail right on the head. As soon as I saw the title for this thread I thought of FETs.
 

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