Why we cannot see light from a conducting wire?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of light emission from conducting wires versus light bulbs in electric circuits. Participants explore the conditions under which light is produced, focusing on the properties of materials, resistance, and the mechanisms of electromagnetic wave generation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that light is visible when a filament light bulb is connected, but not when only a copper wire is used, despite the wire having lower resistance.
  • Another participant suggests that the light emitted from the wire is at a frequency too low for human eyes to detect.
  • A participant explains that while light is an electromagnetic wave with high frequencies, the electric current in both the filament and copper wire does not generate light at those frequencies. They elaborate on how light is produced in the filament due to collisions between free electrons and orbiting electrons in the filament's atoms, which can emit electromagnetic waves at terahertz frequencies.
  • One participant describes tungsten as the material used in filaments because it can withstand high temperatures without vaporizing, leading to visible electromagnetic radiation. They also mention that a thin copper wire can glow when connected to a strong battery but will quickly melt.
  • A participant raises a question about the relationship between resistance and light emission, suggesting that resistance is needed to increase temperature for photon emission, but also noting that higher resistance lowers current, leading to confusion about how this affects brightness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of light emission from different materials and the role of resistance in this process. There is no consensus on the relationship between resistance, current, and light output.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about the properties of materials and the conditions under which they emit light. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the interplay between resistance and brightness in electric circuits.

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When I connect filament(light bulb) in the electric circuit I can see the light.

but when I connect only conducting wire(copper line) in the electric circuit I couldn't see the light from the conducting wire even though conducting wire less resistant than filament.

How can I explain that phenomenon?
 
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The light emitted from the wire is too low of a frequency for your eyes to detect.
 
Light is an electromagnetic wave but it has very big frequency ( frequency of some Terraherz).

The electric current that runs through the filament of the light bulb or the filament of the copper wire doesn't have that big frequency so normally if EM-waves were created only by current distributions, then we wouldn't have light from either case.

Then how light is created by the filament of the light bulb? It is because the free electrons that are the electric current collide with the orbiting electrons of the atoms of the fillament , and those orbiting electrons gain energy and give back some of their energy as em-waves with frequency of some Terraherz. The same happens with copper atoms but the orbiting electrons of the copper atoms can't give back em-waves in the frequencies of Terraherz. That is it depends on what exactly atoms we have as to if their orbiting electrons can produce em-waves in the frequencies of some Teraherz.
 
The filament in a lamp is a "conducting metal". It is Tungsten, chosen because it can run at a very high temperature ('white hot') without vaporising. At such temperatures, the EM radiation is visible. A length of thin copper wire will glow brightly when it's connected across a beefy battery but it will melt and vaporise very quickly. If you try this, you have to be very careful handling the wire or you will burn a groove in your fingers. It's the sort of daft thing that I did as a boy with an old battery of my Dad's - and I burned my fingers! Beware.
There is a pretty graph on this link that shows the relationship between temperature and emitted spectrum of a hot body. The spectrum is not much affected by the material used.
 
ggandy said:
but when I connect only conducting wire(copper line) in the electric circuit I couldn't see the light from the conducting wire even though conducting wire less resistant than filament.

We need resistance to increase the temperature which in turn causes photon emission. But increased resistance also lowers current, so brighter light-bulbs actually have lower resistance, I think. I'm not sure how that works out, I guess it has to do with the filament thickness. But with constant current higher resistance should produce more light, or explosion even?
 

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