Why Would My Uncle Say to Make All Conductors Same Size for 3 Phase Connection?

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The discussion revolves around the advice given by an electrician regarding the sizing and length of conductors in a 600v 400A 3-phase electrical connection. Participants explore the implications of conductor length and size in relation to heating and load balancing in electrical systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind making all conductors the same size, suggesting that increased resistance in longer cables could lead to heating, but is unsure.
  • Another participant clarifies that the uncle emphasized making conductors the same length, not diameter, which adds to the confusion.
  • Concerns are raised about potential load unbalance due to differences in cable reactance if conductors are not of equal length.
  • One participant states that it is not advisable to route cables differently for high current applications, noting that routing and transpositions must be considered.
  • Another participant asserts that the equal length rule applies primarily when there are multiple conductor runs for each phase and suggests that the uncle's advice may not be applicable in the original poster's situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of equal conductor lengths and sizes. Some argue that it is crucial for load balancing in multiple conductor runs, while others believe it may not be necessary in the specific case presented.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific conditions under which conductor length and size affect heating and load balancing. The discussion highlights the complexity of routing and transposition in high current applications, which may not be fully resolved.

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My dad and my uncle were wiring in a disconnect & panel in my dad's new shop the other day. It is a 600v 400A 3-phase connection. When they were wiring the 3 phase connection from the main disconnect to the panel, my uncle (whose an electrician) says to make all the conductors the same size. He said that if you don't, the shorter conductor of the 3 will get really hot.

Is there any reason to why he would say this? I can't think of any reason unless maybe the cable was longer...instead of shorter. Then the increased resistance may cause the conductor to heat - not sure. Any ideas?
 
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triden said:
My dad and my uncle were wiring in a disconnect & panel in my dad's new shop the other day. It is a 600v 400A 3-phase connection. When they were wiring the 3 phase connection from the main disconnect to the panel, my uncle (whose an electrician) says to make all the conductors the same size. He said that if you don't, the shorter conductor of the 3 will get really hot.

Is there any reason to why he would say this? I can't think of any reason unless maybe the cable was longer...instead of shorter. Then the increased resistance may cause the conductor to heat - not sure. Any ideas?

Perhaps he meant the same diameter of wire (AWG) instead of length.

CS
 
He specifically said "Don't make one conductor shorter than the other's - they have to be the same length". That's what confuses me..I don't think he was implying diameter.
 
triden said:
He specifically said "Don't make one conductor shorter than the other's - they have to be the same length". That's what confuses me..I don't think he was implying diameter.

Nothing comes to mind as to why that would happen (unless it would unbalance the load somehow due to the cable reactance). I think it would have to be a significant difference in length even for that.

I'd ask him to explain his reasoning.

CS
 
This applies when there are multiple conductor runs for each phase.
It is not advisable to route cables differently and cause difference in lengths when large loads and high currents are likely.
Routing, transpositions in conductors, cable tray details, and even structures near service conductors must be considered for high current applications.
It gets a little involved...
 
subtech said:
This applies when there are multiple conductor runs for each phase.
It is not advisable to route cables differently and cause difference in lengths when large loads and high currents are likely.
Routing, transpositions in conductors, cable tray details, and even structures near service conductors must be considered for high current applications.
It gets a little involved...
Then could you please explain why different lengths aren't good? Seems okay to me in the OPs situation.
 
It is ok in the OPs situation if there was a single conductor run for each phase. In the OP, the uncle is mistaken.

As I said, the "equal length rule" does apply when there are multiple conductor runs for each phase.
In multiple conductor runs when amperages are in the hundreds or thousands, routing, transpositions in cable positions, and even cable spacings are important.
Look here:
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=201037
 

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