Will high power laser penetrate mirror?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of high-power lasers with mirror-like coatings, particularly whether lasers can penetrate such surfaces. Participants explore the properties of mirrors, the efficiency of laser systems, and the implications for applications like weaponry and cutting technologies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that mirrors, while primarily reflective, do absorb some light, which could lead to heating and potential failure over time.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of reflective materials, with some arguing that no material can reflect 100% of light, while others point out that high-efficiency materials exist.
  • One participant notes that the effectiveness of a laser against a reflective surface depends on the laser's intensity and wavelength.
  • Concerns are raised about the thermal damage that could occur in mirrors due to absorption, particularly for thicker materials.
  • Some participants reference practical experiences with lasers, such as cutting through materials, to illustrate points about reflectivity and absorption.
  • A specific example of a company producing specialty reflecting mirrors is provided, indicating ongoing developments in this area.
  • A later post introduces a recent discovery of a material that can reflect light without absorption under certain conditions, which adds complexity to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether lasers can penetrate mirrors, with multiple competing views on the properties of reflective materials and their implications for laser interactions remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific material properties, the effects of laser intensity and wavelength, and the unresolved nature of claims regarding perfect reflectivity.

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Many nations are developing hi-energy laser weapon. My question is, what if target is coated with mirror like coating? Can laser (since laser is still light) penetrate mirror? If it can then how is it possible?

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Well mirror is just like any other material , the difference is that the coating of the mirror is of such material that has a very smooth surface and other characteristics that tend to reflect incoming EM radiation in the visible spectrum.In other words light.
Now I am no mirror specialist but I do bet that nothing is pure so a mirror too absorbs some of the light (radiation) that's coming in it's way so with time it could heat up and break or other problems could arise.
I'm sure others will comment more on this.
I think key factors here are the wavelength of the laser light and the intensity.
 
Now I am no mirror specialist but I do bet that nothing is pure so a mirror too absorbs some of the light (radiation) that's coming in it's way so with time it could heat up and break or other problems could arise.

the trick around most of that problem would be to have the reflective surface on the front of the glass, as is done with telescope mirrors. That way the laser isn't passing through the glass

Dave
 
Yes I could agree but the material which reflects also absorbs something or are there materials that reflect 100% of some wavelength light? Although I don't think so.
 
You are correct. There are no perfectly reflective materials. If the reflector is 99% efficient then the laser trying to penetrate it has to be powerful enough that 1% of it's energy will have the desired effect on the target. 1 big reason that this is technically difficult is that the laser itself absorbs some of its own energy so you wind up with as much destructive energy (heat) being produced within the weapon as you are delivering to the target. Add to that the fact that the beam will diverge between the weapon and the target so the energy will be more concentrated (destructive) at the weapon end of the beam.
 
+ add the efficiency of a typical even the best laser, and you get everything but not a weapon of choice.Despite all the fantasy movies and all the pretty red glowing stuff that people like so much.
 
I use a laser cutter that cuts through silvered acrylic, I think it is an infra red laser, 30mW.
 
Silver is only some 98-99% reflective for infrared, and less at lower wavelengths. The mirror will heat up and eventually burn off. If it's a thin mirror, it won't take much heat before failing.

On the other hand, you can use thin films to increase reflectivity higher than 99%, but the thin films are even more easily destroyed.
 
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No material is perfectly conducting and so there will always be some penetration of the laser field into the reflecting medium.

For mirrors that are more than ~100 nm thick, the limiting factor to power reflectivity will likely be thermal damage due to absorption.

Claude.
 
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During the cold war there was much discussion about putting high powered lasers in orbit in order to shoot down incoming missiles. The problem is that high powered lasers are massive and not easily aimed. The solution was to use mirrors to aim the laser but that put a limit on the maximum reflectivity of the missile. At some point the aiming mirror would melt before the missile.
 
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Surprise! This new discovery shows that some materials reflect 100% of the incident light!

"Perfect mirror debuts
Material that reflects light without letting any escape could improve lasers

Physicist Chia Wei Hsu and colleagues at MIT weren’t looking to invent a mirror when they were studying the behavior of light interacting with a photonic crystal, a slab of material with a network of drilled holes, each so small that it can manipulate individual light waves. Most of the time, light penetrated at least partially into the team’s crystal, a block of perforated silicon nitride. But when the researchers shined a specific frequency of red light at a 35-degree angle to the surface of the slab, they were surprised to find that it bounced back completely — none of it leaked away or got absorbed."
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/351485/description/Perfect_mirror_debuts
 

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