Wilson-Sommerfeld quantization to solve square-well potential

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Wilson-Sommerfeld quantization rule to a square-well potential, specifically addressing the limitations of this approach when the potential is not infinitely deep. Participants explore the implications of the quantization rule, the behavior of wave functions, and the discrepancies observed in finite well scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the Wilson-Sommerfeld quantization rule and its application to a square-well potential, noting that it yields correct results only in the limit of infinite depth.
  • Another participant suggests that the exponential decay of wave functions beyond the walls of a finite well is not accounted for in the quantization rule, which may contribute to the discrepancies observed.
  • There is a discussion about the assumption that wave functions at the turning points are zero, with some participants questioning the validity of this assumption in the context of finite wells.
  • One participant mentions that further application of the WKB approximation considers the effects of exponential decay, which may provide additional insights.
  • Another participant raises a point about the independence of classical bound states from the depth of the well, contrasting this with the quantum mechanical behavior of wave functions at turning points.
  • There is a suggestion that the consistency of the quantization rule derived from WKB wave functions does not necessarily validate the wave function itself.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions made regarding wave functions at turning points and the implications of the quantization rule for finite versus infinite wells. There is no consensus on the validity of certain assumptions or the mathematical steps involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the treatment of wave functions at turning points and the dependence on the depth of the potential well, which may affect the applicability of the Wilson-Sommerfeld rule.

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Applying the Wilson-Sommerfeld quantization rule to solve the square-well potential problem
The Wilson-Sommerfeld quantization rule claims (##\hbar=1##)
$$\frac{1}{2\pi} \oint p(x)\,dx=n,\,n=1, 2, ...$$
where integration is done in the classically allowed region. Applying this to a square-well potential with a depth of ##V_0## and width ##a##, we get $$E=\frac{\pi^2 n^2}{2a^2}$$
This only gives the correct result in the limit ##V_0 \rightarrow \infty##, and for low ##V_0## the error is quite substantial. I would like to understand why.

As I leant, the Wilson-Sommerfeld rule can be obtained from a zeroth-order WKB approximation. Let us consider a potential well described by a continuous function ##V(x)##, and pick two classical turning points ##x_1 < x < x_2##. In zeroth-order, the wave function can be given by
$$\psi_1 = exp\left( \pm i \int_{x_1}^x p\,dx\right)$$
but also as
$$\psi_2 = exp\left( \pm i \int_{x}^{x_2} p\,dx\right)$$
They have to be equal, and the real and imaginary parts yield the same result, namely, for the real part
$$\cos\left(\int_{x_1}^x p\,dx\right)=\cos\left(\int_{x}^{x_2} p\,dx\right)$$
Here comes a part that I don't understand ##(1)##: this implies that the sum of their phases have to be ##2\pi n##, from which
$$\int_{x_1}^{x_2}p\,dx=2\pi n$$
which is the desired result. The other part that I don't understand ##(2)## is that what step caused this result to only be valid for an infinitely deep square-well potential? I read about more detailed calculations that treat the regions around the turning points and those lead to the Bohr-Sommerfeld rule, which gives the correct result for a harmonic oscillator for example, but for this square potential it doesn't work at all. Can you help me figure this out?
 
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Solutions of finite well have exponential decay part beyond the wall that the rule you mentioned does not include. Infinite well does not allow such permeation of wave function. I assume it is at least a part of reason to explain why.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
Solutions of finite well have exponential decay part beyond the wall that the rule you mentioned does not include. Infinite well does not allow such permeation of wave function. I assume it is at least a part of reason to explain why.
That is true, but I assume there's a (hidden) step in this calculation that assumes that the wavefunction at the turning points is zero.
 
If you go further to WKB approximation this exponential dumping is considered.

Robin04 said:
Summary:: Applying the Wilson-Sommerfeld quantization rule to solve the square-well potential problem
I read about more detailed calculations that treat the regions around the turning points and those lead to the Bohr-Sommerfeld rule, which gives the correct result for a harmonic oscillator for example,

I am afraid your method gives right wave function for harmonic oscillator. You say the correct result, it is of eigenvalue, wave function or any there features ?

Robin04 said:
That is true, but I assume there's a (hidden) step in this calculation that assumes that the wavefunction at the turning points is zero.

I do not think ##e^{ipx}## cannot be zero at turning point mathematically.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
I am afraid your method gives right wave function for harmonic oscillator. You say the correct result, it is of eigenvalue, wave function or any there features ?
Right wave function for harmonic oscillator? Those should be Hermite-polynomials, not simple exponentials, no? By correct result I mean eigenvalues.
anuttarasammyak said:
I do not think ##e^{ipx}##cannot be zero at turning point mathematically.
That is true, but the ##\pm## in the argument means that it is a linear combination of a ##+## and a ##-## term. My writing was a bit misunderstandable, sorry. It can be sine and cosine, so it can be zero at the turning points.

Could it be that the correctness of the quantization rule obtained from the consistency of given-order WKB wave functions does not imply the correctness of the wave function itself? It wouldn't answer my question, but I would be one step closer, I guess.
 
Another idea: classically, the bound states in a square-well potential are independent of the depth of the well, while in quantum mechanics for a given level the wave functions take different values at the classical turning points for different depths. In zeroth-order, no quantum correction should appear, so one way of choosing consistent boundary conditions is to zero out the wavefunctions at the turning points. However, I still don't see how this appears mathematically here.
 

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