Wind Force on Curved Surfaces: Investigating the Drag on an Upright Cylinder

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The discussion revolves around calculating the wind force exerted on an upright cylinder when wind flows from the side. Participants explore the appropriate cross-sectional area to use for this calculation and the complexities involved in determining the drag force, particularly in relation to fluid mechanics and drag coefficients.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a rectangular cross-section with dimensions 2*r*h for calculating the force, arguing that the wind does not hit the curved surface perpendicularly.
  • Another participant mentions the need for a drag coefficient specific to cylinder cross flow.
  • A third participant notes that the drag coefficient is a function of the Reynolds number and can be determined through experimental studies or computational fluid dynamics (CFD).
  • A later reply emphasizes that the problem is complex and references Stokes' paradox, indicating that basic physics may not suffice for low Reynolds number flows.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate model for calculating the drag force, with some advocating for a simplified rectangular model while others highlight the complexities involved in fluid mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the flow conditions, such as whether the flow is laminar or turbulent, and the implications of using different models for calculating drag.

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Hey guys,

I'm trying to prove to a friend something but I couldn't find a proof online. Imagine wind coming in from the side and hitting an upright cylinder. We're trying to find the force exerted, which then requires which kinda of cross section to use. I think the best way to calculate it is by using the a rectangle with the dimensions 2*r*h. since all the wind is not hitting the curved surface perpendicular, it's not correct to use a curved surface model, which would be (2Pi*r*h)/2. I know this is basic physics but sometimes it's the basic you need to know down well. What do you think? Thank you for the help.
 
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This is really a problem that is solved using fluid mechanics. Typically, the drag coefficient on the cylinder is regarded as a function of the Reynolds number for the flow. The relationship between the drag coefficient and the Reynolds number has been studied and quantified experimentally, and can also be obtained mathemtaically using computational fluid dynamics (CFD) for both laminar and turbulent flow.
 
avannoord said:
Hey guys,

I'm trying to prove to a friend something but I couldn't find a proof online. Imagine wind coming in from the side and hitting an upright cylinder. We're trying to find the force exerted, which then requires which kinda of cross section to use. I think the best way to calculate it is by using the a rectangle with the dimensions 2*r*h. since all the wind is not hitting the curved surface perpendicular, it's not correct to use a curved surface model, which would be (2Pi*r*h)/2. I know this is basic physics but sometimes it's the basic you need to know down well. What do you think? Thank you for the help.

The drag exerted on a cylinder in crossflow is not a trivial problem- in fact, it's the subject of Stokes' paradox when the flow is slow (low Reynolds number). In this case, basic physics is not sufficient. I have a few references in my office, if I remember tomorrow morning I'll add them to this post.
 

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