Windows 10 Upgrade Discussion: Compatibility and Features

[HyperTechno]

I found myself on almost a daily basis having some annoyance with Windows 8.1
Things just never worked they way they were supposed to.

Since upgrading to Windows 10 in August. I still have some annoyances but they occur maybe once a month instead of everyday.

They may have actually gotten it right for a change!

You may right. But for me, my windows 10 installation was a whole lot of troubles. It's nice , pretty, pleasant and all that... but I couldn't get a smooth ride at all. For some reason my windows 8.1 runs very smoothly and hasn't given me any problems ... ( besides 2 or 3 stucks a month)

 

[cpscdave]

It has been trying to get me to upgrade to 10 for weeks. Are you suggesting this would be good thing?

I as well was hesitant. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. But it seems like the feedback has been mostly positive chances are good you'll see an improvement. Plus less snot on the screen from swiping with your nose can't hurt either :)

 

[1oldman2]

Good news for anyone still hunting for the win10 upgrade, recently I installed an optional update on my win7 system that automatically sets you up and installs the win 10 upgrade without your knowledge. As I already run 10 on my other two machines I didn't want to loose my last 7 OS, this seems a little invasive and I got rid of the update to retain 7. After installing and using win 10 since its release I do think its very good and will get even better with time. The only advice I can give regarding the install is with the default settings, win10 is possibly the most prolific meta data mining tool going right now. If your concerned about your data security, change your default apps and do not associate A windows live account with it. Please understand I'm no C++ guru but these are just things I have picked up from playing around with the new OS and doing some reading on it. I would encourage everyone using win10 to read up on settings and defaults since there is a lot going on behind the scenes there. All in all though I love 10 almost as much as 7.

 

[rootone]

MS seem to have made it a tradition to release a generally good OS followed by one which is naff,or medioche at best.
This is the latest good one (Windows 9 did not exist, Windows 8 wasn't anything special, 7 was the last generally agreed 'good' upgrade.
Seems like this pattern is to be ended now though, Win 10 will be continually upgraded and so I hear, there are no plans for any major new version at all.
It's just 'Windows' from here onward.

 

[1oldman2]

MS seem to have made it a tradition to release a generally good OS followed by one which is naff,or medioche at best.
This is the latest good one (Windows 9 did not exist, Windows 8 wasn't anything special, 7 was the last generally agreed 'good' upgrade.
Seems like this pattern is to be ended now though, Win 10 will be continually upgraded and so I hear, there are no plans for any major new version at all.
It's just 'Windows' from here onward.

From everything I have read your right, from now on its upgrades for win10 and we won't ever see a win 11. leaves me wondering how long before they stop supporting the older OS's.

 

[DaveC426913]

It's just 'Windows' from here onward.

That seems unlikely. New versions of Windows are at least as much about marketing and promotion as they are about technical advancement.
Pretty hard to market something that isn't new.

 

[1oldman2]

That seems unlikely. New versions of Windows are at least as much about marketing and promotion as they are about technical advancement.
Pretty hard to market something that isn't new.

I have to agree with everything you said, especially the marketing angle. However when I have looked into 'whats next for windows" all I come across is 10 is designed for patches and upgrades rather than replacement. Of course my record for predicting the future is a little spotty and we will all have to wait and see what's around the bend. one more thought on the "marketing angle" is MS is going to make far more profit from the info-mining that 10 is capable of than they would likely make from developing and releasing a new OS after 10. But as they say money talks so profit will undoubtedly be the deciding factor in 10 VS. the next OS, time will tell and we the consumer are just along for the ride. :-)

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

First big update a few days ago. Haven't noticed anything different.

 

[1oldman2]

The two machines I run 10 on updated also, one was sleeping all night last night the other shut down, When I woke the sleeping one up this morning the usual cool seashore pic was replaced by an even cooler desert scene of the milkyway and they asked if I wanted to keep it,the other computer that was shut down didn't have this option but I expect it soon (not sure what the trigger was) at any rate the only other thing I noticed right off was it changed my default apps back to MS default. If anyone notices any other changes I would love to hear about it.

 

[rootone]

One thing I found very noticeable is much faster shutdown and startup times

 

[1oldman2]

One thing I found very noticeable is much faster shutdown and startup times

True about the startup/shutdown times, I hear rumors about changes in kernel utilization and other things I'm not qualified to comment on but I'm learning day by day

 

[rootone]

Just an impression I get is that in this version they have disposed of old routines going back to the DOS legacy.
Stuff that really has no purpose today, unless one wants to be romantic about OS specifications.
Unix/Linux systems are going to have to face that too.

 

[meBigGuy]

Slightly off topic, but what Unix/Linux routines are you referring to? I ask because I use Linux everyday 98% at the terminal level.

 

[rootone]

Things like that a standard Unix definition assumes it's running on a 1960's style mainframe architecture with up to 16 TTY terminals.

 

[jerromyjon]

One thing I found very noticeable is much faster shutdown and startup times

That was the first thing I noticed. Well besides the 4+ hour install, after the initial setup and everything seats properly 15 seconds my AMD A8 Envy is off, and 10-12 second startup straight to desktop. I was floored. The bad thing was my fan quit and I've had the problem where you can't be fast enough to "catch" the startup hook to change startup features as in safe mode... seems like ages ago, windows 8.1... a blip in windows history. I think now they are going to gear up for pay to play as that is the new norm. They make far more profit giving the entire "program" for free and charging for "services" within it, as tablet apps pioneered...

 

[enorbet]

Things like that a standard Unix definition assumes it's running on a 1960's style mainframe architecture with up to 16 TTY terminals.

Since TTY is basic to job control such controls must exist in all operating systems, Windows included. This is most certainly not a problem for any *nix because it is built by design to employ simple programs linked, or piped, together. The adaptability of such a fundamental design is why Linux is run on more hardware than any other operating system today from super computers, through smartphones and on down to the simplest of embedded systems. There simply is no legacy holding back any *nix. If you are really interested in the Science behind the one mistaken example you have given you could visit this site - http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/index.php

The greatest likelihood is that within the lifetimes of anyone here operating systems will become superfluous and ubiquitous with focus increasing on the job at hand rather than the underlying means to that end. Necessity and money drive development and it has been well over a decade since Microsoft realized they make far more profit on, for example, Office than on Windows. Their focus has changed accordingly and rightly so.

 

[rootone]

I like *nix alright, I think it's a very sound concept, no problem at all with that.
I was just wondering if it could be improved, a *nix 2 if you like, built upon the premise of network connectivity, FPU's, GPU's, 'The cloud', and other such stuff which wasn't even a science fiction fantasy in the 1960's.
... and mobile devices which don't expect to have multiple 'terminals' attached to them physically.

 

[enorbet]

@rootone - Since you felt it necessary to say "I like *nix alright" I suppose I need to be perfectly clear. This is not about what any of us likes or dislikes and I really am not trying to disrupt this thread and this post is exactly to avoid such common pitfalls that have become troublesome and boring over time. Far more people prefer to drive cars than become mechanics and such trends also exist in the computing world. If you think about it, on some fundamental level, there is really very little, beyond interface, that Windows 10 can do that XP could not and similarly that is also true of Linux. It just gets easier to do it and for more people to do it, that's all.

This is partly why I think operating system jihads are a bit silly. Computers are a tool box that we can fill with whatever tools we think we need to do our work and play. How can anyone dislike a tool box set of tools that effectively let's people do what they want? It's specific to the person and what jobs they undertake. As that focus increases on the end work and computers become even more commonplace than they already are, I think we will see the underlying systems become less and less important, especially as the ability for more universal or cross-platform tools to work with anything blur the line.

If you visited the site I linked you will see that the need for job control that resulted in TTY began in 1860, not 1960. The reason our automobiles sit three in one seat comfortably is because of Roman roads that were designed to accommodate the widest chariots were also designed to last with little maintenance so it became easier (and smarter) to design all transportation vehicles that travel great distances on the ground to those specifications in order to take advantage of that infrastructure. This is the power of legacy, especially when fundamentally solid.

In personal computing, Microsoft Windows won the operating system wars because they realized Steve Jobs was trying to make a quantum leap that the buying public were not ready to make - too much, too soon. In all likelihood there will be a Windows 11 and 12 (or whatever they choose to call it) but the emphasis is essentially all over but for the wake. It's all about the work on top of the system now that all the basics are firmly in place.

 

[HyperTechno]

Hey Guys... I really need to figure out something.
We all know that Windows 10 is really nice and intuitive OS... the best Windows OS by far. More than 90% of the Users(I assume) vote high for the OS. So is it really worth to buy a Windows Phone?
No not by the side of Hardware(phone) but by the side of Software (The Windows 10 mobile), would it be a nice thing to do? or some thing that would put me in so many troubles! ?

 

[HowlerMonkey]

Just an impression I get is that in this version they have disposed of old routines going back to the DOS legacy.
Stuff that really has no purpose today, unless one wants to be romantic about OS specifications.
Unix/Linux systems are going to have to face that too.

That happened back at windows XP.

 

[1oldman2]

Thought i would add an update to my post #93 of this thread. I mentioned an optional update (KB3035583) that was offered on my win7 machine that downloaded the win10 installer without my knowledge then proceeded to start installing win10. I promptly stopped it removed the update and disabled auto update as I don't want 10 on all 3 machines that I use, I prefer 7 but I'm using the other 2 as Guinea pigs to learn the ups and downs of the 10 OS. To get back on track anyway today after starting my 7 system I checked for updates and was told "good news your win 10 OS is ready to download", I checked the available update list and was shown 20 updates for the 7 OS. Being a curious type I checked numbers and found the KB3035583 update had been moved from the optional update list to the important list. It seems most people are going to end up with 10 whether the ask for it or not unless they take steps to avoid it, that brings me back to I wondering how long the older OS's will be supported. I have to say 10 is a very efficient OS however I'm not pleased that neither of the 2 machines I have 10 on will play a simple DVD movie without buying or installing software (one machine would play it through the CyberLink software but that quit working after an update to the HP software, they offered to sell me an upgrade to play DVD's though). That is one example of the downside to upgrading, seems unfair to remove working software and replace it with something you have to buy upgrades for. This would be a good time to mention I'm not the brightest guy on the site so if I have missed something about the DVD playing option on 10 and someone can enlighten me or has any thoughts/info on this matter I would be happy to hear from you. For more info on the update mentioned in post #93 you can read about it here.
http://www.myce.com/news/windows-update-silently-installs-windows-10-downloader-75647/
Thanks and I'm looking forward to feedback.

 

[jerromyjon]

if I have missed something about the DVD playing option on 10

If you had an "enhanced" windows version prior to upgrade, DVD playback is included for your hardware. That was something that alarmed me, along with the "subscription" for windows office that they keep trying to sell me, but if you choose the "cloud" option for backup/storage you can use office online for free...

 

[jerromyjon]

(The Windows 10 mobile), would it be a nice thing to do?

My phone is still windows 8 which works pretty well between win 10 laptop/cloud access but now has cortana which is siri's rival. Not bad for phone hardware/software (lumia 640 lte w/ wifi data, wife has same with 4g data both work very well) but I haven't had any other smartphone to compare to. I don't know when it will be upgraded to windows 10 but I anticipate it eventually.

 

[jerromyjon]

That happened back at windows XP.

Oh yeah windows 2000, was that messy (ms)dos? I forget. 3.1,95,97,97 with updates dang I can't remember, ooh service pack 2 yeah that then xp was dos-less windows boot. I skipped everything else in between I think.

 

[HyperTechno]

My phone is still windows 8 which works pretty well between win 10 laptop/cloud access but now has cortana which is siri's rival. Not bad for phone hardware/software (lumia 640 lte w/ wifi data, wife has same with 4g data both work very well) but I haven't had any other smartphone to compare to. I don't know when it will be upgraded to windows 10 but I anticipate it eventually.

Well I've read and watched lot of comparison videos with various phones to find the exact phone I need right now( the exact phone that suits me and finally found that Lumia 640XL is that. ( though it still hasn't got Windows 10 update). first I wanted to buy an android as the app base is huge comparatively to Windows. But however i figured out that I can go with the Windows app base quite nicely when I considered about my app needs thoroughly . The app gap is not a problem to me. And Lumia 640/640XL full fill all my requirements within the budget I have than similarly priced android phones. That's why i wanted to know about the windows 10 mobile version more on PF.
As you have mentioned that Windows 8 is okay , I can assume that windows 10 mobile is much better than I expected. Well hope 640 gets the Windows 10 update soon. (I'm more interested on the XL version though it's a bit big and little hard to handle by one hand... as it offers a better Camera.)

thank you for your quote.

 

[dlgoff]

No Windows 10 for me. I want to keep my private data private. Just sayin' Thank you http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/GWX-Stopper.shtml.

 

[1oldman2]

No Windows 10 for me. I want to keep my private data private. Just sayin' Thank you http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/GWX-Stopper.shtml.

Well there you go... Problem solved, Thank you. This is what a forum is all about.

 

[jerromyjon]

Thank you http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Miscellaneous/GWX-Stopper.shtml.

I would have liked this more than a month before upgrading... i hated the stupid icon I could not get rid of even though I already agreed to upgrade, and had to manually search how to begin the upgrade when the time came, too. To have everything work seamlessly without issues would have worried me, so I prefer to have minor glitches to make serious problems less likely. I hated the windows 8.1 so badly even with a touchscreen laptop my options were windows 7 or windows 10. I have an older private encrypted laptop for sensitive data and personal info which will remain windows 7 that I will certainly use this for!

 

[yungman]

I posted here about the black screen after trying to wake up from sleep. I googled, apparently it is a common problem. It happens to my back up computer, so I just simply shut it down and restart again the next day. Other than that, the computer works a whole lot better. This was a Win8.1, never worked right from day one. It was very intermittent. It was for my wife, she just stop using it because it's to frustrating for her. It works a whole lot better after I upgraded to Win10. It is actually usable now.

My main laptop works beautifully since I upgraded to Win10. I have a long thread here about the Window explorer stop and people here had been trying to help. Never managed to resolve the problem. The computer went to my company's IT department and had two people working on it. The last thing was recover the whole thing. Still did not work. I finally upgraded to Win 10 and has been working perfectly for almost a month since.

Just my 2cents.

 

[DiracPool]

No Windows 10 for me. I want to keep my private data private.

You can't fight the inevitable. I finally bit the bullet and upgraded my desktop to Windows 10. It seems OK. I disabled every snoop feature in the install per some research I did. I agree with their consensus, err on the side of extreme paranoia. If you lose some functionality that outweighs your privacy concerns, you can change the setting.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article...y-default-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/#gref
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/so...settings-you-need-to-change-right-now-1301257

Good luck.