Last week saw testimony from Iraq Vets Against the War, detailing personal experiences in Iraq, and focusing on abuses by military units. Take from these what you will. Jon Turner on anger, intimidation and "drop weapons" - 1, 2. Jason Hurd: shooting at cars - link Adam Kokesh, on Rules of Engagement and civilian harrassment - link More videos at Democracy Now! http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/17/winter_soldier_us_vets_active_duty http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/18/winter_soldier_contd_us_vets_active There are a number of issues that can be debated in this context, from the effects of large numbers of embedded and non-embedded journalists on the military, to the effects of military aggression on the "hearts and minds" of the locals. Please keep any discussion directly pertinent to testimony relating to military abuse and leave broader question of strategy to the other Iraq thread.