Without solving the equation, find the value of the roots

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The discussion revolves around a quadratic equation, specifically 23 - 5x - 4x² = 0, and the task is to find the value of the expression (\alpha - \beta)² without directly solving the equation. Participants are exploring relationships between the roots of the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the expansion of (\alpha - \beta)² and its relation to known quantities such as \alpha + \beta and \alpha\beta. There is an attempt to connect these relationships to derive the desired expression without solving the equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to express (\alpha - \beta)² in terms of previously calculated values. There is a recognition of the relationships between the roots, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

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Participants mention having calculated \alpha + \beta and \alpha\beta in earlier parts of the problem, which are relevant to the current discussion. The focus remains on deriving the expression without solving the quadratic equation directly.

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Homework Statement



23 - 5x - 4x2 = 0

find ([itex]\alpha[/itex] - [itex]\beta[/itex])2



Homework Equations



In previous parts of the question I've calculated [itex]\alpha[/itex] + [itex]\beta[/itex], [itex]\alpha[/itex][itex]\beta[/itex], 1/[itex]\alpha[/itex] + 1/[itex]\beta[/itex] and ([itex]\alpha[/itex]+1)([itex]\beta[/itex]+1) but I can't think of any rules I know to help me solve the problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



Expanding ([itex]\alpha[/itex] - [itex]\beta[/itex])2

gives

[itex]\alpha[/itex]2+[itex]\beta[/itex]2 -2[itex]\alpha[/itex][itex]\beta[/itex]

But I don't know what I can do with this info.

I'd appreciate a nudge in the right direction!

Thanks
 
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You can write your expression fairly simply in terms of [itex]\alpha+\beta[/itex] and [itex]\alpha \beta[/itex] (from which you can get the final answer according to your part 2)
 
BOAS said:

Homework Statement



23 - 5x - 4x2 = 0

find ([itex]\alpha[/itex] - [itex]\beta[/itex])2



Homework Equations



In previous parts of the question I've calculated [itex]\alpha[/itex] + [itex]\beta[/itex], [itex]\alpha[/itex][itex]\beta[/itex], 1/[itex]\alpha[/itex] + 1/[itex]\beta[/itex] and ([itex]\alpha[/itex]+1)([itex]\beta[/itex]+1) but I can't think of any rules I know to help me solve the problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



Expanding ([itex]\alpha[/itex] - [itex]\beta[/itex])2

gives

[itex]\alpha[/itex]2+[itex]\beta[/itex]2 -2[itex]\alpha[/itex][itex]\beta[/itex]

But I don't know what I can do with this info.

I'd appreciate a nudge in the right direction!

Thanks

##(\alpha - \beta)^2 = (\alpha + \beta)^2 - 4\alpha\beta##
You said that you have already calculated ##\alpha + \beta ## and ##\alpha\beta ##.
 
Mark44 said:
##(\alpha - \beta)^2 = (\alpha + \beta)^2 - 4\alpha\beta##
You said that you have already calculated ##\alpha + \beta ## and ##\alpha\beta ##.

Gah, I should have seen that.

Thanks!
 

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