Witness Minnesota Fats' Amazing Trick Shot: Angle MAZ

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The discussion revolves around a geometry problem involving a trick shot on a pool table, specifically calculating the angle MAZ formed by the cue ball's trajectory. The problem is approached from both geometric and computational perspectives, with participants exploring different methods to arrive at the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup of the pool table and the trajectory of the cue ball, asking for the size of angle MAZ.
  • Another participant suggests reflecting point M to facilitate the calculation of angle MAZ, proposing a method involving geometric reflections.
  • A participant claims to have solved the problem, stating that angle MAZ is approximately 48.37 degrees and outlines their computational approach involving trigonometric functions.
  • Another participant acknowledges the computational method but contrasts it with their own purely geometric method, emphasizing the use of ruler and compass constructions without calculations.
  • There are light-hearted exchanges about playing a game of nine-ball, indicating a casual tone among participants.

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Participants express differing methods for solving the problem, with one favoring a computational approach and another advocating for a geometric construction. There is no consensus on which method is superior, and the discussion remains open-ended regarding the best approach.

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Participants' methods depend on different assumptions about the problem setup, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the final answer.

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(U)     A            (Z)       D            (Y) 

                     [M] 
 B                                           E 
(V)          C       (W)            F       (X)
That there is an 8 by 4 pool table, with pockets U,V,W,X,Y,Z and center M.

Of course: UV = VW = WX = XY = YZ = ZU = 4.

The cue ball is at M.

Minnesota Fats performs the following "trick shot":
shoots cue ball at point A:
ball continues in order to points B,C,D,E,F, then from F directly to side pocket Z.

What is size of angle MAZ?
 
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Wilmer said:
Code:
(U)     A            (Z)       D            (Y) 

                     [M] 
 B                                           E 
(V)          C       (W)            F       (X)
That there is an 8 by 4 pool table, with pockets U,V,W,X,Y,Z and center M.

Of course: UV = VW = WX = XY = YZ = ZU = 4.

The cue ball is at M.

Minnesota Fats performs the following "trick shot":
shoots cue ball at point A:
ball continues in order to points B,C,D,E,F, then from F directly to side pocket Z.

What is size of angle MAZ?
Interesting problem.
Here's a hint for you.
Reflect M about the upper side of the table to get a new point M'.
In out present scenario the player shoots the ball from M to A.
Conceive of a scenario where the player shoots the cue ball from M' to A and the upper side is "permeable" to the cue ball for the first time it crosses the upper side and after that it becomes impermeable.
Note that this does not change the fate of the cue ball.

You need to just keep reflecting this way--well almost. (How many times?)
 
Thanks CM; I've already solved this.
Was looking for confirmation: guess I should have said so!

I got angle MAZ = ATAN(9/8) ; ~48.37 degrees

I think the way I did it is a bit like what you're suggesting:
u = angle MAZ: v = TAN(u)
AZ = 2 / v
a = AU = 4 - AZ = 4 - 2 / v = (4v - 2) / v

BU = av
b = BV = 4 - BU = 4 - bv

...and similarly "around the table"...
 
Wilmer said:
Thanks CM; I've already solved this.
Was looking for confirmation: guess I should have said so!

I got angle MAZ = ATAN(9/8) ; ~48.37 degrees

I think the way I did it is a bit like what you're suggesting:
u = angle MAZ: v = TAN(u)
AZ = 2 / v
a = AU = 4 - AZ = 4 - 2 / v = (4v - 2) / v

BU = av
b = BV = 4 - BU = 4 - bv

...and similarly "around the table"...
Your method's good. But the two methods we have are different. The one I suggested is "purely geometric". That is, say you draw the table to scale on a (large) piece of paper and pose the problem as such. Now it is asked to "construct" geometrically the angle to be found. No trig and no coordinate geometry and no calculations. Just plain ruler and compass constructions. Using my method this can be done.

Your method is "computational". It certainly works and has wider scope, of course.
 
Gotcha! Merci beaucoup.
Play you a game of "9ball" for $1 ? (Bandit)
 
Wilmer said:
Gotcha! Merci beaucoup.
Play you a game of "9ball" for $1 ? (Bandit)
?? What? :)
 
Sudharaka, you want to play?
 

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