Work done by charge in electric field on the xyz plane

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a uniform electric field on a charged particle as it moves between two points in three-dimensional space. The electric field is defined with specific angles relative to the coordinate axes, and the charge and displacement of the particle are provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expressing the electric field and displacement vectors in component form. There is an attempt to calculate the distance moved and the work done using the dot product of vectors.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the calculation of vector components and the implications of the work being a scalar quantity. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the dot product and the significance of the angle between vectors.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the sign of the work done and the implications of the angle between the electric field and displacement vectors. Participants are also questioning assumptions about the positivity of work in this context.

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Homework Statement



There is a uniform electric field, E = 270 N/C, parallel to the xz plane, making an angle of 32o with the positive z axis and an angle of 58o with the positive x axis. A particle with charge q= 0.475 C is moved from the point (xi = 2.0 cm, yi = 0, zi = 0) to the point (xf = 8.5 cm, yf = 6.0 cm, zf = -5.5 cm). How much work is done by the electric field.

Homework Equations



W = qE.d

The Attempt at a Solution



The only change in distance I need is parallel to the electric field in the x-z plane.

I have no idea how to find the distance. This is what I tried.

d = (0.055m)2+(0.065m)2 = 0.085 m

Then I believe it's a matter of substituting this into the above equation with the angle which I also don't know how to find. Some guidance would be appreciated thanks.
 
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How about expressing the displacement and the field vectors in terms of their components? Remember, you can also write ## \mathbf{A}\cdot\mathbf{B} = A_xB_x + A_yB_y + A_zB_z ##.
 
Geofleur said:
How about expressing the displacement and the field vectors in terms of their components? Remember, you can also write ## \mathbf{A}\cdot\mathbf{B} = A_xB_x + A_yB_y + A_zB_z ##.

Could you tell me if this is right?

E = 270 Cos 58oi + 270 Cos 32ok
= 143.08 i + 0 j + 228.97 k

If that's my electric field I basically subtract the distance points to get (d) and put it in W = qE.d to get W. Then I can square the values, add them and square root it to get the magnitude of W?
 
Your components for ## \mathbf{E} ## look good, but note that ## W ## is a scalar, not a vector. ## W = \Delta \mathbf{r} \cdot q\mathbf{E} ##, and the dot product always yields a scalar.
 
Geofleur said:
Your components for ## \mathbf{E} ## look good, but note that ## W ## is a scalar, not a vector. ## W = \Delta \mathbf{r} \cdot q\mathbf{E} ##, and the dot product always yields a scalar.

So that means

Since my ## \Delta \mathbf{r} ## = (0.065 i + 0.06 j -0.055 k)

Therefore W = | (0.065 i + 0.06 j -0.055 k) ## \cdot ## 0.475 (143.08 i + 0 j + 228.97 k)|
= |4.4176 - 5.9818|
= 1.56 J

Am I correct here? (btw Thanks for your quick responses)
 
Why take the absolute value? Nothing says that the work has to be positive.
 
Geofleur said:
Why take the absolute value? Nothing says that the work has to be positive.
Oh yeah good point. So W = -1.56 J. I guess I did it right?
 
As a check, you could use the fact that ## \mathbf{E}\cdot\Delta\mathbf{r} = E\Delta r\cos\theta ## to get the angle between ## \mathbf{E} ## and ##\Delta \mathbf{r}##. If the angle is more than 90 degrees, you should expect the work to be negative for a positive charge, like in this case. If you throw a rock upward, then while the rock is traveling upward, gravity is performing negative work on it. Same goes for a positive charge moving against the electric field.
 
Geofleur said:
As a check, you could use the fact that ## \mathbf{E}\cdot\Delta\mathbf{r} = E\Delta r\cos\theta ## to get the angle between ## \mathbf{E} ## and ##\Delta \mathbf{r}##. If the angle is more than 90 degrees, you should expect the work to be negative for a positive charge, like in this case. If you throw a rock upward, then while the rock is traveling upward, gravity is performing negative work on it. Same goes for a positive charge moving against the electric field.

Ok thanks for your help!
 

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