Work done by internal forces on a system of particles

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The discussion centers on the analysis of work done by internal forces in a two-particle system influenced by a constant force. The participants confirm that the work calculated in different frames of reference—specifically the center of mass frame and the frame of one particle—yields different results, which is expected due to the frame-dependent nature of work. It is established that while the work may vary between frames, the total energy of the system remains constant if no external work is applied. The conversation emphasizes the importance of energy conservation within each frame of reference.

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Nikhil Rajagopalan
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Dear Experts,
Trying to analyze the work done by internal forces in a very simple two particle system which is attracted to each other with a constant force, i performed calculations based on two frame of references, 1.The center or mass frame of reference and 2. Frame of reference of one of the particles say A.
Computing the work done by internal forces on a system of particles, under two different frame of references, i obtain two different answers.I have uploaded the image of the derivation.

The answers for the change in kinetic energy will be hence different in both frame of references. Is that normal?

What are the cases where the work done by internal forces becomes 1.zero, 2. positive, 3. negative ?
 

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Nikhil Rajagopalan said:
Computing the work done by internal forces on a system of particles, under two different frame of references, i obtain two different answers.
That is correct. Work is frame variant.

Nikhil Rajagopalan said:
The answers for the change in kinetic energy will be hence different in both frame of references. Is that normal
Yes. The important thing is that energy is conserved within each single frame. It doesn't matter that it is different from frame to frame.
 
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Thank you Dale, i understand that the work depends on the frame of reference.
But is it true that the total energy of the system of particles must remain constant if there is no external work done on it, irrespective of the frame of reference. Is there any way i can compare the total energy of the system in different frame of references and show that they are all equal. Considering the problem i worked on in the image shared ?
 

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