Work done enclosing sphere with spherical shell - for tommorow

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The discussion revolves around a problem in electromagnetism concerning the work done in enclosing a sphere with a spherical shell. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding the problem and seeks guidance on how to approach it without receiving direct solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to understand the work involved in moving charge from the spherical shell to the sphere, with suggestions to consider integration over the shell. There are questions about the necessary electric field calculations and the relationship between charge and distance.

Discussion Status

The conversation has progressed with some participants offering guidance on how to conceptualize the problem and suggesting specific steps to take, such as integrating the work done. However, there is no explicit consensus on the approach, and the original poster has expressed a breakthrough in understanding.

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The original poster has indicated that this is assessed work and has requested not to receive complete solutions, highlighting the constraints of the homework context.

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Hi guys!
I have been working on this question all day and am getting no where :cry: I really can't get to grips with Electromagnetism, arghh!
The question is :http://www.zen96175.zen.co.uk/problem.GIF
I would NOT like anyone to post a solution as its assessed work but I would IMMENSELY appreciate some pointers on how to get started on this...
I have a few hours left to complete this, I hope somebody has a few pointers :!) :smile:
Thank you ,

~Gaz
 
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So what have you done with this problem? If you show where you are stuck, it will be easier for us to help.
 
Hiya,
Well, that's the point really, I need a little push to get me started!
I am thinking it involves seeing how much work it takes to bring a hoop of charge from the spherical shell to the sphere, and then integrating over the whole shell. And then, integrate from r to a to make up the final large sphere is mentions? Pretty vague I know :cry:
Just looking for some pointers if anyone can!

Thank you!
~Gareth
 
ghosts_cloak said:
Hiya,
Well, that's the point really, I need a little push to get me started!
I am thinking it involves seeing how much work it takes to bring a hoop of charge from the spherical shell to the sphere, and then integrating over the whole shell. And then, integrate from r to a to make up the final large sphere is mentions? Pretty vague I know :cry:
Just looking for some pointers if anyone can!

Thank you!
~Gareth

I don't think you need to bring a hoop of charge, but you are on the right track. First find the work done in bringing the spherical shell from [itex]\infty[/itex] to [itex]r[/itex] and then integrate r from 0 to a.

To find the work done in bringing the shell, you will have to know the electric field due to sphere at the center, at a distance x and also the charge dq on the spherical shell (Hint: when the shell has finally enveloped the sphere, the charge dq is still going to be the same, so you can write dq in terms of r and dr). Then you can find the force on the spherical shell and hence the work done in bringing it to the sphere

I have not evaluated the double integral myself, but I think it should give you the answer.
 
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Phew, after a whole day on it, I think I have cracked it! This feeling is what makes physics and maths the greatest!

Thanks for your help,
~Gareth
 
Way to go, Gareth!
 

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