Working out the current and voltage in a circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating current and voltage in a circuit with 12 cells, focusing on configurations that yield a current of 5 amps. The initial assumption of connecting all cells in series leads to a maximum current of 3 amps due to internal resistance. Participants explore various arrangements, including parallel configurations, to reduce internal resistance and increase current. Ultimately, a configuration of three parallel rows of four cells achieves the desired current of 5 amps. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationship between cell arrangement, internal resistance, and current output in circuit design.
  • #31
haruspex said:
The product mn is fixed, so there is only one independent variable.

If product mn is fixed then it can treated as a constant which I'll label as k

Therefore I have total current = kv/mR + nr

What should I differentiate this with respect to?

Edit:

Would this be along the right lines? Where I differentiate with respect to n, set that derivative to zero to find n. Then subsequently get m by 12/n

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  • #32
Bolter said:
If product mn is fixed then it can treated as a constant which I'll label as k

Therefore I have total current = kv/mR + nr

What should I differentiate this with respect to?

Edit:

Would this be along the right lines? Where I differentiate with respect to n, set that derivative to zero to find n. Then subsequently get m by 12/n

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Yes, that looks right. But why use K in some places and 12 in others?
 
  • #33
haruspex said:
Yes, that looks right. But why use K in some places and 12 in others?

Yes sorry, should've stayed consistent and used k or 12 only throughout.

To differentiate the function I used quotient rule to do this and solve for n and m when letting the derivative be set to 0

And I do get n = 4 and m = 3

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  • #34
Bolter said:
Yes sorry, should've stayed consistent and used k or 12 only throughout.

To differentiate the function I used quotient rule to do this and solve for n and m when letting the derivative be set to 0

And I do get n = 4 and m = 3

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Very good.
Note that the m:n ratio turns out always to be the ratio of the resistances, with the higher internal resistance corresponding to the wider, shorter array.
 
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