Working out the current and voltage in a circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating current and voltage in a circuit involving multiple cells connected in various configurations. The original poster is specifically focused on understanding the implications of connecting 12 cells in series versus parallel arrangements, and how these configurations affect the overall current and voltage outputs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different configurations of cells (series vs. parallel) and their impact on current and voltage. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about internal resistance and how it affects the total current. There is a discussion about trial and error in finding the optimal arrangement to achieve a desired current of 5 amps.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for further exploration of circuit configurations. Some participants have shared their calculations and results, while others are questioning the relationships between voltage, current, and resistance in different setups. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available or the methods they can employ. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the components in the circuit rather than simply arriving at a solution.

  • #31
haruspex said:
The product mn is fixed, so there is only one independent variable.

If product mn is fixed then it can treated as a constant which I'll label as k

Therefore I have total current = kv/mR + nr

What should I differentiate this with respect to?

Edit:

Would this be along the right lines? Where I differentiate with respect to n, set that derivative to zero to find n. Then subsequently get m by 12/n

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  • #32
Bolter said:
If product mn is fixed then it can treated as a constant which I'll label as k

Therefore I have total current = kv/mR + nr

What should I differentiate this with respect to?

Edit:

Would this be along the right lines? Where I differentiate with respect to n, set that derivative to zero to find n. Then subsequently get m by 12/n

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Yes, that looks right. But why use K in some places and 12 in others?
 
  • #33
haruspex said:
Yes, that looks right. But why use K in some places and 12 in others?

Yes sorry, should've stayed consistent and used k or 12 only throughout.

To differentiate the function I used quotient rule to do this and solve for n and m when letting the derivative be set to 0

And I do get n = 4 and m = 3

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  • #34
Bolter said:
Yes sorry, should've stayed consistent and used k or 12 only throughout.

To differentiate the function I used quotient rule to do this and solve for n and m when letting the derivative be set to 0

And I do get n = 4 and m = 3

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Very good.
Note that the m:n ratio turns out always to be the ratio of the resistances, with the higher internal resistance corresponding to the wider, shorter array.
 
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