Working with Bra and Ket vector notation

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The discussion revolves around proving the orthogonality and normalization of ket vectors in quantum mechanics, specifically using bra and ket notation. The original poster presents two ket vectors, |A> and |B>, which include terms |Up> and |Down> and seeks clarification on how to manipulate these vectors to demonstrate their properties.

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  • Participants explore the process of calculating inner products between ket vectors and discuss the transition from ket to bra notation. Questions arise regarding the manipulation of components and the implications of complex conjugation in this context.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using the inner product and the bilinearity property to analyze the vectors. Others have shared methods for converting kets to bras and calculating inner products, although there remains some uncertainty about specific steps and the treatment of coefficients.

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Participants express frustration over the lack of coverage of certain topics in their coursework, indicating that the problem may involve concepts not fully addressed in their studies. There is mention of a need for examples or additional resources to clarify the methods discussed.

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I have 2 ket vectors that i need to prove are orthogonal and normalised

I know <Up|Down> = <Down|Up> = 0 <---- Orthogonal Condition

I know <Up|Up> = <Down|Down> = 1 <---- Normalisation Condition

My problem is I have 2 ket vectors, say |A> and |B>, containing |Up> and |Down> terms.

How do I put the two ket vectors together? Do i simply put |A>|B> = And multiply the terms?
 
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No, you put <A|B> (for which you first need to find |B> from <B|). Then use the fact that the inner product <.|.> is bilinear to split everything up in the basis combinations you know equal 0 or 1.
 
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Thanks that helps a lot!

edit how do you turn a ket into a bra? I've been through all my lecture notes, the workshop questions, the suggested book and there's nothing. she does this everytime! sets questions we haven't covered and i spent half the day trying to find something vaguely relevant on the internet. found this

"To turn a ket into a bra for purposes of taking inner products, write the complex conjugates of its components as a row."

how am i supposed to take the complex conjugate of a spin up vector?

i'll just write the full thing, please don't give a direct answer, i just need an example of the method or a youtube video of the method to use please

|A> = 1/SQRT2 (|UP>+|DOWN>)
 
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OK, i tried it this way:

|A> = 1/SQRT2 |UP> + 1/SQRT2 |DOWN> = (1 0) <----- A 2X1 MATRIX i.e. stood upright

<A| = (<A|^T)* <---- THE TRANSPOSE OF THE COMPLEX CONJUGATE = (1 0)

THERFORE

<A|A> = (1 0)(1 0) = 1 <---- WHERE (1 0) IS A 2X1 MATRIX i.e. stood upright

Therefore normalised

<A|B> = (1 0)(0 1) = 0 <---- WHERE (0 1) IS A 2X1 MATRIX i.e. stood upright

Therefore orthogonal

that look right? don't know what happens to the 1/SQRT2 though??!?
 
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when you take the complex conjugate of the Ket |A>, you take the conjugate of the 1/sqrt2 and flip the kets into bras. So |A>=(1/sqrt2)(|up>+|down>)
<A|=|A>*

<A|=(1/sqrt2)*(|up>+|down>)*=(1/sqrt2)*(<up|+<down|)=(1/sqrt2)(<up|+<down|)

where * denotes the complex conjugate, which doesn't affect real numbers
 

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