Worldwide Solar Grid Hypothetical

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of operating a city or country using solar power generated from distant locations, specifically addressing the theoretical possibility of transmitting solar energy from one hemisphere to another, such as from Australia to London. The scope includes theoretical physics, energy transmission, and the implications of solar energy generation and consumption patterns.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while theoretically possible, long-distance energy transmission (e.g., 20,000 km) would incur significant energy losses, making it inefficient without superconductors, which require constant cooling.
  • Another participant notes that power consumption in cities peaks during sunrise and sunset, proposing that generating power from a closer distance could be more feasible.
  • A different participant mentions existing long-distance power transmission systems in China and proposed systems like Desertec, indicating that power loss is approximately 5% per 1000 km, depending on cable quality.
  • One contribution highlights that solar energy encompasses more than just photovoltaic cells, mentioning thermal energy solutions that could provide electricity after sunset, potentially reducing the need for a global interconnected grid.
  • Another participant discusses the existing grid's capability to transmit power over thousands of kilometers and suggests that solar production and consumption could be managed within a few time zones, rather than requiring global transmission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of long-distance solar power transmission, with some acknowledging theoretical possibilities while others emphasize practical limitations and existing technologies. No consensus is reached regarding the best approach or the viability of the proposed ideas.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about energy loss during transmission, the dependence on specific technologies like superconductors, and the variability of solar energy generation based on geographical and temporal factors.

ClarenceCarter
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Hi everyone,
I am humbly here to ask a question. I have no EE training or education (as will become apparent) but I couldn't sleep and my head was churning and now I need to know:

Can you operate a city or country on solar power generated on the other side of the globe? i.e. Could solar power generated in Australia be used to light a bulb in London? The upshot of this is that if we had a 'critical mass' of solar generation and an intelligent grid would we be able to always have 'base load' solar?

Please remember I have no technical education. Everybody here is smarter than me. That is why I am here, right?

PS: Please disregard financial/geopolitical complications. I am merely asking if physics will permit the theory.


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In theory, it is possible, but cables with a length of 20 000 km would waste most of the energy as transmission losses, only a small fraction of the power would reach its destination.
Superconductors would not have those losses, but they need constant cooling.

Those long cables would transmit DC instead of AC, by the way. It can be converted from/to AC at points where electricity is generated/needed.

Power consumption is higher in the daytime - unless you plan to generate all power with photovoltaics, those cables are not interesting. And even then, I think energy storages are cheaper than those really long cables. You need them anyway to cover a variable cloud coverage.
 
Power requirements in cities spike around breakfast time and dinner time, i.e. as the sun is rising and setting. So if we generated the power for those times from a small (longitudinal) distance away, might we have a more feasible system?
 
Significant power transmission over 1500km exists in China, and systems for up to 5000km (Desertec) are proposed. You lose something like ~5% of power per 1000km, depending on the cable quality and transmitted power.
 
Solar power includes several other solutions than photovoltaic cells. Some convert solar power into thermal energy, allowing electricity generation after the sun has gone down, reducing the need for a interconnected grid as you propose.

Read up on the wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power

As for power transmission, the existing grid includes several thousands of km with connected grid. Some are only transmitting (tie-lines) from one region to the other, other have consumers and producers connected along it.

In an idealized way, power production (solar power) and consumption follow time zones (solar production would have a more linear curve, and not discrete as in time zones). So you don't have to transmit power all the way to the other side of the globe. Only a few time zones away, reducing the distance. To some degree this might be provided by the existing grid.

Germany is one of the leading countries in using solar power. Below is a chart of the electricity generation during two days.
Germany_Electricity_Generation_5-25-26-2012.png

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At 9 pm the solar production stops. If you would still use solar power in Germany at this instant of time you would have to import it from a location with sun. Below is such a map. At 9 pm on the day in question:
sunmap.php?iso=20120525T2100.png

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As noticed, your options are limited due to the Atlantic ocean (unless you can have offshore solar plants?) During the morning, your options will be better, allowing import from the eastern countries.
 

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