Would a Force vs. Acceleration Graph Lie in Both Quadrants One and Three?

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The discussion revolves around the graphical representation of the relationship between force and acceleration, specifically in the context of Newton's second law (F=ma). Participants explore whether a force vs. acceleration graph can lie in both the first and third quadrants, considering the implications of negative values for force and acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which a force vs. acceleration graph might occupy both quadrants, with some questioning the necessity of plotting in both quadrants. Others introduce a specific scenario involving a resultant force vector and seek clarification on how to represent that graphically.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the implications of plotting force vs. acceleration in different dimensions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the dimensionality of the problem and the nature of the graph, but there remains a lack of consensus on how to interpret the original problem statement.

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Participants note that the original problem may be poorly worded, leading to confusion about how to approach the graphing of force and acceleration without specific values. There is also mention of the dimensionality of the problem affecting how the graphs should be constructed.

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If plotting F=ma on a graph with F as one axis and a as the other, would the line be in both quadrant one and three since the force vector, and subsequent acceleration vector, could be negative?
 
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Yes. Certainly. It will all depend on whether you can exert forces in both directions in your particular experimental set up, but if you can, the line will be in both quadrants.
 
Thanks. Thats what I thought. I guess it is just not very common since it is essentially redundant to plot the data in both quadrants.
 
Ok, I have an extension of this question. If my resultant force vector is F=-3i+4j, how would I plot that on the F vs a graph?
 
In your original question, you changed the force to have several values, and for each value, you calculated, or measured the acceleration. Then you plotted the force vs. acceleration. Now you are giving me only one value for the force. Why do you think that will generate a graph?
 
It is a poorly worded problem. The actual problem says that I am given the resultant force on a body and am asked to plot that force vs acceleration. Then I am asked what shape is plotted, if the shape that is created passes through the origin, and what quadrant(s) it is in? Since I wasnt given an actual value for force, I originally varied the force value and plotted F=ma. However, I now don't see how that is not correct. The force can only be on point on the X axis and the resuting line if you vary mass will be vertical. Since no value for force is given, there is no way of knowing where that point will be.
 
In any case, whatever the force may be, you can only plot force vs. acceleration on a single graph if it is a problem in one dimension. If it is in one dimension, and you plot the force vs acceleration, it is always a straight line passing through the origin, and lying in the 1st and 3rd quadrants. If it is a problem in two dimensions, you need two graphs. Fx vs. ax and Fy vs ay. Both will be identical straight lines through the origin, with the same slope.
 

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