Would it be possible to create a sterling engine out of liquid nitrogen and air?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of creating a Stirling engine using liquid nitrogen and air as a working fluid. Participants explore the potential power output, efficiency, and practical challenges associated with this concept, as well as alternative energy sources.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the heat difference between liquid nitrogen and air is sufficient to generate a noticeable power output in a Stirling engine.
  • One participant notes that the heat of vaporization of nitrogen is significantly lower than that of gasoline, suggesting that a large quantity of vaporized nitrogen would be needed to match gasoline's energy output.
  • Another participant proposes that the useful work output from the Stirling engine could be about three times larger than the heat of vaporization, implying a different perspective on energy conversion efficiency.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the cost-effectiveness of using nitrogen as a fuel when compared on a delivered energy basis, indicating that nitrogen may be expensive relative to other fuels.
  • One participant introduces the idea of using radioactive waste, specifically cesium-137, as an alternative energy source, discussing its potential power output and the challenges of sourcing and shielding such a material.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding the practicalities of obtaining a sufficient quantity of cesium-137 for a kilowatt power source and the associated shielding requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and efficiency of using liquid nitrogen in a Stirling engine, with no consensus reached on the practicality of this approach or the viability of alternative energy sources like radioactive waste.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge practical difficulties in Stirling engines, such as low power density, and the need for further exploration of energy conversion efficiency and cost analysis.

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Is the heat difference enough to cause a noticeable power output in some type of sterling engine? Liquid nitrogen is quite cheap (alternative fuel source?)
 
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Setting aside for now the practical difficulties in sterling engines (they are efficient, but produce a low power density) and in using liquid nitrogen:

The heat of vaporization of nitrogen is 202 kJ/kg
The heat of combustion of gasoline is 47,000 kJ/kg

You'd need more than 200 times as much vaporized liquid nitrogen as burned gasoline to ge the same amount of energy output.
 
Hmmm, the vaporation heat will just be the waste heat you have to dump. The amount of useful work will be about a factor 3 larger.
 
When you price fuels, you have to do it on a $/(delivered kJ) basis. Nitrogen looks very expensive on that basis.
 
Perhaps you could get radioactive waste free of charge and use that to power an engine. I think that caesium 137 will yield 1 Watt per gram. The half life in 30 years, so you can imagine a car being powered by a block of ceasium that would only have to be replaced every ten years or so.
 
Count Iblis said:
Perhaps you could get radioactive waste free of charge and use that to power an engine. I think that caesium 137 will yield 1 Watt per gram. The half life in 30 years, so you can imagine a car being powered by a block of ceasium that would only have to be replaced every ten years or so.
Where would I get a 1 kilowatt (about 1 HP) Cesium source? Assuming about 1 MeV per decay, this corresponds to about 6.26 x 1015 decays per second, or 169,000 Curies. I once measured the shielding elffect of lead around a 1 milliCurie cesium source, and decided that 2 inches of lead would attenuate the radiation by about a factor of 10. So how many tons of lead are required to shield this source?
Note: spelling: Stirling engine.
 

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