Would modeling collisions using Coulomb forces be useful?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and potential usefulness of modeling collisions of macroscopic objects using Coulomb forces from valence electrons, as opposed to traditional conservation laws. The scope includes theoretical exploration and potential applications in physics simulations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes modeling collisions using mutual repulsive forces of valence electrons and questions the complexity and usefulness of this approach compared to conservation laws.
  • Another participant inquires about the learning outcomes and the practical challenges of modeling a vast number of electrons, suggesting the scale of the problem.
  • A participant suggests using a continuous distribution of charge over a surface rather than modeling individual charges, indicating a potential simplification.
  • Another participant interprets the approach as modeling valence electrons as a restricted-motion fluid over the object's surface, noting that the usefulness of this method depends on the specific application and expressing uncertainty about its practicality.
  • There is a suggestion that this type of modeling might be attempted occasionally, but no definitive conclusions are drawn regarding its effectiveness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of skepticism and curiosity about the proposed modeling approach, with no consensus on its potential usefulness or practicality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the viability of using Coulomb forces in this context.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the challenge of modeling a large number of electrons and the dependence on the specific application for determining usefulness. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or conceptual complexities involved.

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Hi, I am trying to decide on a topic for my senior project, and my professor and I fleetingly discussed my idea of writing a program that models collisions of macroscopic objects using the mutual repulsive forces of their valence electrons rather than standard conservation laws. My question is, is this a worthwhile pursuit? Would trying to analyze collisions in this way make it more complicated, or might this be more useful than using conservation laws in some scenarios?
 
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What do you think you will learn from this?

How do you plan on modeling 10^23 electrons?
 
I was intending to use a continuous distribution of charge over a weirdly shaped surface, rather than just individual charges.
 
You are thinking of modelling the valence electrons as some sort of restricted-motion fluid over the surface of the object with a fixed distribution of positive charge under it?

It would depend on the application ... there is no way to tell in advance if it will be useful.
I have a feeling it is the sort of thing people try every now and again.
 

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