Writing a matrix as sum of a constant * matrix

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The discussion revolves around the problem of expressing a matrix A as a linear combination of two other matrices B and C, specifically in the form A = xB + yC, where x and y are constants. Participants explore methods for determining the existence of such constants and the implications of matrix dimensions on the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if matrices B and C are in the span of A, then there exist constants x and y that satisfy the equation.
  • Another participant proposes solving the system of equations generated by the matrices to find x and y, providing a specific example with 2x2 matrices.
  • A concern is raised about the efficiency of this method when dealing with larger matrices, such as 10x10 matrices.
  • One participant argues that the number of equations needed does not increase the complexity significantly, as modern computation can handle larger matrices effectively.
  • Another participant clarifies that an equation involving 2x2 matrices corresponds to a system of four equations, indicating that solving for two unknowns is not straightforward unless certain conditions are met.
  • A later reply questions whether the existence of a solution to the system of equations is a definitive indicator of the existence of constants x and y.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency of solving the system of equations for larger matrices and the conditions under which solutions for x and y can exist. There is no consensus on a single method or approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of solving matrix equations and the dependency on the specific properties of the matrices involved. There are unresolved questions regarding the conditions necessary for the existence of solutions.

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Ok I need some help on how I can approach a problem like this.

Say that A B and C are matircies and I know the values of each of them.

And let x and y be constants (ie: 7 or 2 or somthing like that)

What I want to know is can you write

A = xB + yC

How would you check to see if there are an x and y that can make that equation true and if there is how can you find it. I think if B and C are in the span of A then yes there is an x and y but that doest tell me how to find them.
 
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You can check if there are [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] that make the equation true by solving the system of equations generated by matrices.

Let matrix A be [itex]A=\left| \begin{array}{cc} a_{11} & a_{12} \\ a_{21} & a_{22} \end{array} \right|[/itex], and B [itex]B=\left| \begin{array}{cc} b_{11} & b_{12} \\ b_{21} & b_{22} \end{array} \right|[/itex]. Matrix C will be [itex]C=\left| \begin{array}{cc} c_{11} & c_{12} \\ c_{21} & c_{22} \end{array} \right|[/itex].

You get the system of equations to solve for [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] with the following expression:

[itex]\left| \begin{array}{cc} a_{11} & a_{12} \\ a_{21} & a_{22} \end{array} \right|[/itex] [itex]-[/itex] [itex]x \left| \begin{array}{cc} b_{11} & b_{12} \\ b_{21} & b_{22} \end{array} \right|[/itex] [itex]-[/itex] [itex]y \left| \begin{array}{cc} c_{11} & c_{12} \\ c_{21} & c_{22} \end{array} \right|[/itex] [itex]=[/itex] [itex]\left| \begin{array}{cc} 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 \end{array} \right|[/itex].
 
I was thinking of that as well the only problem is what if A B and C are 10 x 10 it would work but it is a lot of work. Is there a more effcient method.
 
Well, you need just a few equations to solve the system, so it doesn't matter if a matrix is 10 x 10. It wouldn't take too long. As far as I know, there is no more efficient method. Today, if we want to deal with 100 x 100 matrices, we use computers. That's why we've made them in the first place. :-)
 
in your first post how would you expand that to a system of 2 eqns and 2 unkwns. The 2x2 constant matrix is what is screwing me up
 
You don't expand an equation with two by two matrices into a system of two equations. An equation involving two by two matrices is equivalent to a system of four equations, one for each of the four entries in the matrices. In general, you cannot solve an equation like "A= xB+ yC" for number x and y given matrices A, B, and C unless A, B, and C are carefully chosen, just as you cannot solve four equations in two unknowns unless the equations are "dependent". In general, there simply do NOT exist such numbers.
 
Isn't the solution of the system we get an indicator of the existence of those numbers? If the system has a solution, such [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] exist. Otherwise, they don't.
 

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