Y''' + 8y = 2x - 5 + 8 e^(-2x); y(0) = -5, y'(0) = 3, y''(0) = -4

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The problem involves solving a third-order linear differential equation with constant coefficients, specifically y''' + 8y = 2x - 5 + 8 e^(-2x), along with given initial conditions y(0) = -5, y'(0) = 3, and y''(0) = -4. The original poster expresses difficulty in determining certain constants in their solution.

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  • The original poster attempts to use the method of undetermined coefficients but struggles with finding the constants c_1, c_2, and c_3. They mention using Wolfram Alpha to check their work, which yielded incorrect results. Some participants suggest simplifying the problem by eliminating the x and constant terms on the right side of the equation, proposing a transformation to a new function z(x).

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem differently. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion, and others emphasize the importance of showing work to facilitate assistance.

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Participants note that the original poster has repeatedly encountered the same mistake, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the method or setup. There is a mention of needing to adjust constants in the transformation to simplify the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


The problem:
y''' + 8y = 2x - 5 + 8 e^(-2x); y(0) = -5, y'(0) = 3, y''(0) = -4

Correct answer:
y = -23/12 e^(-2x) + e^x (-59/24 cos(sqrt(3) x) + 17 sqrt(3)/72 sin(sqrt(3) x)) + 1/4 x - 5/8 + 2/3 x e^(-2x)

Homework Equations


Method of undetermined coefficients.

The Attempt at a Solution


My work is attached as the TheProblemAndMyWork.pdf file. The work is typed (not handwritten), so it looks nice.

What I'm having trouble with is finding the values for c_1, c_2 and c_3. I entered the system of equations from my work into Wolfram Alpha, and the answer is wrong! I re-did this problem so many times, and I keep ending up in the same situation. I suppose, I keep making the exact same mistake.

Could someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
 

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The constant term you get when you calculated f''(0) should be -8/3, not 8.
 
s3a said:

Homework Statement


The problem:
y''' + 8y = 2x - 5 + 8 e^(-2x); y(0) = -5, y'(0) = 3, y''(0) = -4

Correct answer:
y = -23/12 e^(-2x) + e^x (-59/24 cos(sqrt(3) x) + 17 sqrt(3)/72 sin(sqrt(3) x)) + 1/4 x - 5/8 + 2/3 x e^(-2x)

Homework Equations


Method of undetermined coefficients.

The Attempt at a Solution


My work is attached as the TheProblemAndMyWork.pdf file. The work is typed (not handwritten), so it looks nice.

What I'm having trouble with is finding the values for c_1, c_2 and c_3. I entered the system of equations from my work into Wolfram Alpha, and the answer is wrong! I re-did this problem so many times, and I keep ending up in the same situation. I suppose, I keep making the exact same mistake.

Could someone please tell me what I am doing wrong?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

It is a quite a bit easier if you first get rid of the x and constant terms on the right. You can do this by looking at ##z(x) = y(x) + ax + b## for some constants ##a, b##, then adjusting ##a## and ##b## until you get ##z''' + 8z = 8 e^{ -2x}##. Then the "undetermined coefficient" equations simplify down quite a lot. Of course you need to determine the initial conditions on z(t) and use them instead.
 
Thanks guys, I get it now!
 
Could someone explain to me how the exercise found in pdf is done, please thank you.
 
That’s not how it works here. You need to show an attempt, and we can help you identify and correct your mistakes and misconceptions.

There should be plenty of examples you can see in your textbook.
 
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