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The discussion revolves around problem 2.31 from "Mathematical Tools for Physics," which involves the Doppler effect for sound and light. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of Taylor expansion to derive relationships between different formulas for the Doppler effect at low speeds.

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  • The original poster considers performing a Taylor expansion but is uncertain about which part of the equations to expand. They also express concern over their interpretation of the equations and the results they are obtaining.

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Some participants have provided clarification regarding the nature of the equations, indicating that they are not differential equations and that the primes denote frequencies in different reference frames. This guidance appears to have helped the original poster gain some understanding.

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The original poster notes a potential difference in approach between a "Math for Physics" text and a pure mathematics text. There is also a question about the forum's standard for marking questions as [solved].

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I'm confused by problem 2.31 in mathematical tools for physics.

Problem:
2.31 The Doppler effect for sound with a moving source and for a moving observer have different formulas. The Doppler
effect for light, including relativistic effects is different still. Show that for low speeds they are all about the same.

[itex]f' = f \frac{v - v_0}{v}[/itex], [itex]f' = f \frac{v}{v+v_s}[/itex], [itex]f' = f \sqrt{\frac{1-v/c}{1+v/c}}[/itex]

The symbols have various meanings: v is the speed of sound in the first two, with the other terms being the velocity
of the observer and the velocity of the source. In the third equation c is the speed of light and v is the velocity of the
observer. And no, 1 = 1 isn't good enough; you should get these at least to first order in the speed.Solution:
From the selected solutions:
[itex]f' = f(1-v_0/v)[/itex], [itex]f' = f(1-v_s/v)[/itex], [itex]f'=f(1-v/c)[/itex]

Question:
Clearly I'm supposed to do a tailor expansion of something, but I'm unsure of which part of the original differential equation I'm supposed to expand. Also, whichever part I do expand I end up with a different result than the given solution, which makes me think I'm interpreting the equation wrong. My interpretation is:
[itex]f'(x) = \frac{v - v_0}{v} f(x)[/itex]

Thanks for any help clearing this up.
 
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Yes, a Taylor expansion is the way to go. These are not differential equations though. The primes merely denote frequencies in different reference frames.
 
Thanks Jilang, that cleared things up for me. I suppose this is a difference between a "Math for Physics" text and a pure mathematics one.

I'm new to the forum, is there a standard for marking questions and posts as [solved] ?
 
tssuser said:
Thanks Jilang, that cleared things up for me. I suppose this is a difference between a "Math for Physics" text and a pure mathematics one.

I'm new to the forum, is there a standard for marking questions and posts as [solved] ?
Hello tssuser. Welcome to PF !
 

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