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Your Reasons Why Free Will is an Illusion

  1. Feb 28, 2009 #1
    Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Cmon all you determinists. Provide me with your reasons and I will pick the best one. We are having a debate in my class and I need some thoughts.

    POST AWAY!

    I am looking for the best reason.


    Criteria for argument:

    -Short

    -Simple

    -Strong

    The Three S'(s).
     
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  3. Feb 28, 2009 #2

    CompuChip

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    You will pick the best one? I.e. who is "most" right? Then what are the criteria for a good argument against free will?

    By the way, is the fact that I'm posting in this thread while I think it's actually a waste of my time a good reason, or just empirical evidence (to which no induction can be applied).
     
  4. Feb 28, 2009 #3
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    CompuChip: Fail

    NEXT.
     
  5. Feb 28, 2009 #4

    CompuChip

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    OK, how about: Quantum mechanics tells us so?
    You can pick any interpretation of QM (or make up your own).

    Ow, you are looking for determinist reasonings. In that case I further refrain from the discussion.
    (I've failed already anyway; which reminds me why I prefer science over philosophy :wink:)
     
  6. Feb 28, 2009 #5
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    I can usually argue both sides of anything but in this case my lack of free will is compelling me to tell you that can't be argued because it isn't an illusion. Sorry, wish I was free to give you a reason that free will is an illusion.

    You are being forced to argue against free will even though you can't think of a reason to support that idea? Hmmm, sounds like you don't have free will.
     
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  7. Feb 28, 2009 #6
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Come on, it was just a movie. Besides, no fish could ever be that big.
     
  8. Feb 28, 2009 #7
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    This argument cinches it for me.
     
  9. Feb 28, 2009 #8

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Sounds more like Avalon: Fail.

    (Do your own homework!)
     
  10. Feb 28, 2009 #9
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    For a nontechnical person, has determinism objection been proven?
     
  11. Feb 28, 2009 #10

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Philosophical paradoxes are the illusion.
     
  12. Feb 28, 2009 #11
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Hume's argument is as follows: even if I grant that all of your sense impressions give you accurate information about the world, you still do not have any sense impressions of free will itself.
     
  13. Feb 28, 2009 #12
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    This thread = YAWN.
     
  14. Feb 28, 2009 #13
    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    FREE WILL refers to the fact that, in general, we can't specify the causes for the choices we make. Where you can specify the causes, then, by definition, your choice wasn't FREE.

    So, FREE WILL means essentially the same thing as RANDOMNESS which means UNPREDICTABILITY. And neither FREE WILL nor RANDOMNESS tell us anything about whether or not Nature is DETERMINISTIC.

    The fact that we are able to predict lots of natural phenomena suggests that nature is deterministic. The fact that quantum theory is able to predict the statistical results of a large number of experimental phenomena suggests that nature is deterministic. The fact that we still can't predict lots and lots of stuff suggests that our knowledge of Nature is incomplete.
     
  15. Feb 28, 2009 #14

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    When I saw this thread title, I wondered why it wasn't posted in Philosophy ...

    ... until I got to that part :smile:
     
  16. Mar 1, 2009 #15

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Redbelly, isn't the alternative definition
    equally good and applicable to this thread?

    (I have included the mathematical symbols / formulas part to exclude certain long mathematics threads)
     
  17. Mar 1, 2009 #16

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Well heck, I completely forgot about that. And it's clearly stated in Section 8-12.1, paragraph 7 of our By-laws!
     
  18. Mar 1, 2009 #17

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    Re: Your Reasons Why "Free Will" is an Illusion

    Well well, I didn't even know that.
    I tried to read them, but I didn't get past Section 6. My ISP informed me that I had reached my monthly download limit. But it's March 1 now, so I can read another 6 sections.
     
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