
#1
Mar2313, 01:35 PM

P: 145

Hi,
I thought this would be a simple project but I have not been able to get this to work. I need to design a circuit that exhibits a resonance below 3kHz. It must be underdamped, and the drive current limited to ~5mA. I was usign this as an inductor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator At the bottom, which simulates the inductor. My values I am using are: RL=1kOhm C = .1uF R = 10kOhm these lead to a simulated L=.9 Combining this with a .01uF capacitor, I should get a resonance at about 1000rad/sec, and if I measure the voltage across the capacitor I should see a peak gain of 9.5 (determined analytically using Matlab). But when I put in a broadband random signal into the system, I see nothing when I measure the voltage across the capacitor but it looks exactly like my input broadband signal. Is there something I am missing? 



#2
Mar2313, 03:09 PM

P: 427

Have you breadboarded something or is this based on a simulation?
In case of simulation, could you show the details of it, schematic, output waveforms etc.? 



#3
Mar2413, 12:09 PM

P: 145

Breadboard. I am using a FFT data acquisition system which measures input and output and calculates a transfer function.
I used simple KVL analysis to generate transfer functions and plot the expected FRF's in Matlab, which gave me the expected peak/resonance. I am using 2 9V batteries (one in negative direction) to power the op amp. I know the op amp works because I can make other circuits with t which operate fine. 



#4
Mar2413, 12:42 PM

P: 427

Designing a RLC Resonator
Could do with a schematic of your test setup, including how your instruments are hooked up (and their make and model).




#5
Mar2413, 01:56 PM

P: 145

I am using an NTE941M op amp: http://www.nteinc.com/specs/900to999/pdf/nte941m.pdf My V+ and V terminals are plugged into +/9V batteries (reverse polarity to get 9V). I have not shown the 9V batteries plugged in, they attach to terminals 4 and 7 as shown on teh datasheet. My instruments I am using are (I am fairly certain) not the issue. It is a FFT Analyzer by Data Physics Corp. I am using a broadband random generator and measuring the response around the first .01uF capacitor. All are grounded to the breadboards ground and I am making a differential measurement across the capacitor when measuring its response. Thanks Raman 



#6
Mar2413, 02:33 PM

P: 145

It appears that the RL part of the circuit is working properly...With a broadband random input I get the following output spectrum:
Which seems accurate, rolloff around 150Hz. But when I add the capcitor in front of the circuit, I get the following (measuring response across series capacitor), with a possible resonance at 1000hz instead of ~150: 



#7
Mar2413, 04:08 PM

P: 427

The thing is, in this:
The bottom circuit is only equivalent (approximately) to the top one when R >> R_L. I assume you got L = 0.9 H from something like: Z_in = (R_L + j*omega*R_L*R*C)  (R + 1/(j*omega*C) = (1.000e3 + j*0.9000) Ω for R_L = 1 kΩ, R = 10 kΩ, C = 100 nF, omega = 1 rad/s. For omega = 10e3 rad/s: Z_in = (5.500e3 + j*4.500e3) Ω thus not the impedance you would expect for the circuit in the bottom. Adjusting the values of the resistors to be more in line with R >> R_L: Z_in = (1.089e3 + j*9.891e3) Ω for R_L = 100 Ω, R = 100 kΩ, C = 100 nF, omega = 10e3 rad/s, which is much more like it should be according to the equivalent circuit in the bottom. In short, try R1 = 100 Ω, R2 = 100 kΩ instead. I'd expect a resonance frequency of around 1/(2*pi*sqrt(1 H*10e9 F) ~= 1.6 kHz with a gain of around 20 dB (you're limited by your rails though). 



#8
Mar2413, 11:14 PM

P: 145

Thanks. I knew there must have been some condition I was overlooking for the simulated inductor to work.
I did the best I could with the pieces I have, and used a 250Ohm resistor instead of 100 that you suggest. The response is starting to look much better. I don't quite understand why the response levels out at ~3kHz but I am not really concerned with any poles/zeros after the resonance. I will but the necessary components tomorrow. Thanks for all the help, Ill let you know how it works. 


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