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That is essentially what the "judgment of confinement" is meant to address.Evo said:
Previously, it has been mainly used against serial pedophiles and rapists.
That is essentially what the "judgment of confinement" is meant to address.Evo said:It will never be safe to allow this person back into society. If they determine him to be criminally insane, then he should be locked away for the rest of his life.
How exactly does the "judgment of confinement" work? Is it set in place as a life sentence at the time of sentencing? Or is it some convoluted process that could get bungled? I mean, it would be unthinkable that someone like this would be set loose due to a technicality.arildno said:That is essentially what the "judgment of confinement" is meant to address.
Previously, it has been mainly used against serial pedophiles and rapists.
I'm not quite sure (I don't know much of it, really).Evo said:How exactly does the "judgment of confinement" work? Is it set in place as a life sentence at the time of sentencing? Or is it some convoluted process that could get bungled? I mean, it would be unthinkable that someone like this would be set loose due to a technicality.
Evo said:It will never be safe to allow this person back into society. If they determine him to be criminally insane, then he should be locked away for the rest of his life.
If someone is mentally ill it wouldn't make any sense to release them - you're just enabling them to do the same thing again!rootX said:Emotions should never prevail the laws. I don't see anything getting achieved in giving him harsh sentence under assumption that he was mentally unstable.
Ken Natton said:Horrendous events. I could not stop myself, I found myself trying to imagine my feelings if my own son, in his teenage years, went off to some camp with his friends and had his life cut short by some maniac. It’s a thought too grotesque to deal with, but it’s the reality too many Norwegian parents are dealing with right now.
Of course there is an inevitability to the situation that early speculations included the possibility of some revenge attack by Muslim terrorists. Always the point is that Muslim terrorists do not represent the vast majority of Muslim people, any more than Breivik represents the majority of Norwegian people, even those of a nationalist outlook. He has been described as a white Christian fundamentalist. There’s the word that is your common denominator – ‘fundamentalist’. This word is taking on the meaning ‘person prepared to suppress their humanity in the name of dogma’.
Chilling words that seem befitting. Not to take things too literally.Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.
arildno said:"If one man can create so much hate, imagine all the love we can create together".
arildno said:They talk English at the CNN video clip in the link??
jostpuur said:Breivik has been put to isolation for (at least, if I understood correctly) eight weeks. When the trial gets carried out, it will be a closed one, meaning that no media is allowed. So I guess we are not going to hear him explaining his actions for some time.
Breivik himself was enthusiastic about explaining his actions, but apparently he's not getting what he wanted now.[/QUOTE
1. He was placed in custody for the next 8 weeks. Then, a new meeting must be made if the custody is to be lengthened.
2. He was deprived the right of communication (prohibition of visits, barring of letters, media etc)
3. In addition, a point I haven't heard about before, he was ruled to serve 4 weeks in complete isolation.
I do not, as yet, know what point 3 means; if I should hazard a guess he is forbidden such like walks in the prison compound, any physical interaction with other prisoners, obliged to eat his food in his own cell.
Not sure about that, but I believe he has received the absolute maximum of detention Norwegian law allows for.
arildno said:jostpuur said:Breivik has been put to isolation for (at least, if I understood correctly) eight weeks. When the trial gets carried out, it will be a closed one, meaning that no media is allowed. So I guess we are not going to hear him explaining his actions for some time.
Breivik himself was enthusiastic about explaining his actions, but apparently he's not getting what he wanted now.[/QUOTE
1. He was placed in custody for the next 8 weeks. Then, a new meeting must be made if the custody is to be lengthened.
2. He was deprived the right of communication (prohibition of visits, barring of letters, media etc)
3. In addition, a point I haven't heard about before, he was ruled to serve 4 weeks in complete isolation.
I do not, as yet, know what point 3 means; if I should hazard a guess he is forbidden such like walks in the prison compound, any physical interaction with other prisoners, obliged to eat his food in his own cell.
Not sure about that, but I believe he has received the absolute maximum of detention Norwegian law allows for.
Breivik wants to declare that his attack is the start of new ideology and military actions against the immigrants and multi-cultural societies in Europe. Particularly those who come from Muslims countries. His attack aims to hurt the government and the political party of the president because they are traitors from his political point.
In this and other articles, I keep reading that he is going to be held for 8 weeks (2 months).Borg said:Some minor good news if you can call it that.
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-police-lower-youth-camp-death-toll-68-151414572.html"
Uhm, please tell me that they wouldn't actually release this guy pending trial?Breivik could tamper with evidence if released, and will be held for at least another two months
We call a spade a spade, the judge will just say "held without possibility of bail". We don't pretend they might have a chance of being released before trial.arildno said:No, Evo.
Actually, various "human rights" groups have criticized standard Norwegian custodial practice:
That they think our threshold too low for keeping a pre-trial suspect continuously in jail (but with regular new evaluating meetings every 4th week (or 8th in this case) .
This restrictiveness in regular Norwegian processual law will guarantee his confinement until trial.
That is not an option in Norwegian law.Evo said:We call a spade a spade, the judge will just say "held without possibility of bail".
For him, I guess, seeing "his cause" go to pieces is probably the worst punishment we may inflict on him.Evo said:I wonder if he will ever realize that his actions have done his "cause" serious damage. He has turned the entire world against him and people like him. He's done the complete opposite of what he intended to do.
I had a thread on the death penalty where guilt was known beyond a shadow of a doubt, and people actually posted that there was no way that there could ever be no doubt. :uhh:arildno said:For him, I guess, seeing "his cause" go to pieces is probably the worst punishment we may inflict on him.
But, who knows?
Perhaps getting wilted salad with his dinner will cause him unspeakable grief as well?
I really do not care about what emotions he may have or not.
What I am sad about is that I don't live in a civilized country like Japan or the United States where the citizenry is given the option to symbolically, and emotionally, re-take control of civil society through the dread power of execution.
I do not want this individual to exist anymore.
Yes.Evo said:I had a thread on the death penalty where guilt was known beyond a shadow of a doubt, and people actually posted that there was no way that there could ever be no doubt. :uhh:
Evo said:I wonder if he will ever realize that his actions have done his "cause" serious damage. He has turned the entire world against him and people like him. He's done the complete opposite of what he intended to do.
arildno said:For him, I guess, seeing "his cause" go to pieces is probably the worst punishment we may inflict on him.
arildno said:... A much more "interesting" web connection of Anders Behring Breivik is some Swedish Neonazi site in which how to make such a bomb was actually discussed.
DevilsAvocado said:He thinks he’s a Knights Templar (for real), on a crusade to save Europe (and the planet) from various "lethal threats" (Muslims, Communists, Marxists, EU, UN, Social Democrats in Norway and Sweden, etc, etc). And he’s convinced that all these various "powers" are working together to throw him and all other "Proper Europeans" over the 'cliff'.