Carbon-14 Dating: When Did the Iceman Die?

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In summary: Please refrain from doing so in the future.In summary, the conversation discusses using carbon-14 testing to determine the approximate year of the Iceman's death. The student is confused about how to calculate the percentage of carbon-14 remaining and how to use the half-life of carbon-14. They consider using a differential equation, but since they have not learned it yet, they decide to use an approximate approach. The conversation ends with the student providing a calculation using the 52% value given, but other members point out that the decay is exponential and not linear.
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Homework Statement


Carbon-14 testing on the body of the Iceman showed that the level of carbon-14 was at 52%. In approximately what year did he die?

Homework Equations


We have been given no equations, and the course work is vague. We have to make charts... (grade 11)

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that carbon-14 has a half-life of 5730 years (which is confusing because my course switches between 6000 and 5730 years...), but I am not sure how to get 52%, and to be completely honest, I am lost when it comes to calculating dates before year 1... If I round to 50% that means he died about 5730 years ago, and our lesson says he was discovered in 1991. I am assuming this carbon dating was done in 1991, so 1991 - 5730 years? That being said, I don't think that 50% is quite specific enough... if I had the "whole life" of carbon-14 I could multiply by 0.52 and that would be the percentage, but since each half-life just divides in half, I don't see it possible for there to ever be zero. (This is like those curves in math that never cross the x-axis?!) Not sure where to go from here, and any help is appreciated!
 
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Meeeessttteeehh said:
(This is like those curves in math that never cross the x-axis?!)
Right, it's an exponential decay.
You need to write the differential equation that describes this situation. You can use the known half-life to get its exact solution.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by differential equation... we weren't taught any equations...
I talked to my teacher and he said something confusing about the 52% and such. Basically I understood that I cannot multiply the 5730 by 0.52 because that's only half of the half... If I multiply it by 0.96 it should work (not positive why, especially since that's less than all of the half and I need more than half... oh my). Then I just subtract the number from 1991. So I have 1991 - 5500.8 which is about 3510 BC? If I used 96% of the rounded half-life of carbon-14 i get 6000 x 0.96 = 5760 (I think that's it!) so 1991 - 5760 = 3769 BC. Do either of these make sense? SOS Little Sheldon! XD
 
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Meeeessttteeehh said:
I'm not sure what you mean by differential equation... we weren't taught any equations...
I talked to my teacher and he said something confusing about the 52% and such. Basically I understood that I cannot multiply the 5730 by 0.52 because that's only half of the half... If I multiply it by 0.96 it should work (not positive why, especially since that's less than all of the half and I need more than half... oh my). Then I just subtract the number from 1991. So I have 1991 - 5500.8 which is about 3510 BC? If I used 96% of the rounded half-life of carbon-14 i get 6000 x 0.96 = 5760 (I think that's it!) so 1991 - 5760 = 3769 BC. Do either of these make sense? SOS Little Sheldon! XD
Well, the differential equation will give you the exact year of the iceman's death, but since you haven't studied it yet, let's drop this approach.
Meeeessttteeehh said:
In approximately what year did he die?
You are supposed to find an approximate answer and 52% is very close to 50%.
 
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Meeeessttteeehh said:
I know that carbon-14 has a half-life of 5730 years (which is confusing because my course switches between 6000 and 5730 years...), but I am not sure how to get 52%
If 50% versus 52% is not close enough, one can attack this problem as follows.

The fraction of carbon (f) remaining after 5730 years is 1/2. It's an exponential decay. So the formula for fraction remaining is: ##f = 2^{-\frac{years}{5730}}##

You are given that f = 52% and you want to solve for years. Start by taking the base 2 log of both sides.

Tip: ##log_2\ x = \frac{log\ x}{log\ 2}##
 
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Okay, thanks for the input guys! I wrote this:
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Sound reasonable?
 

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Meeeessttteeehh said:
Okay, thanks for the input guys! I wrote this:
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Sound reasonable?
Maybe, but I feel that since they specified 52% you should attempt to use that.
Note that it is not exactly proportional. 52 v. 50 is a 4% difference, but it makes a greater percentage difference to the age.
Do try to use the tips you have already been given.
 
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My attempt at the question...
If 50% = 5730 years
1% = 114.6 years
2% = 229.2 or approximately 230 years
5730 - 230 = 5500 years
Therefore, 5500 years before 1991 (The year Iceman was discovered), meaning 5500-1991 = 3509 years or 3510 BC approximately
Would this be good?
 
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Humbleness said:
My attempt at the question...
If 50% = 5730 years
1% = 114.6 years
2% = 229.2 or approximately 230 years
5730 - 230 = 5500 years
Therefore, 5500 years before 1991 (The year Iceman was discovered), meaning 5500-1991 = 3509 years or 3510 BC approximately
Would this be good?
No. You seem to be assuming a linear decay, which is simply wrong. The decay is exponential. Also, providing solutions before a problem has been explicitly solved by the OP is against forum rules.
 

1. How does carbon-14 dating work?

Carbon-14 dating is a method used to determine the age of organic materials up to about 50,000 years old. The process involves measuring the amount of radioactive carbon-14 (C-14) in a sample, which decreases over time as the C-14 decays into nitrogen-14. By comparing the C-14 levels in a sample to those in the atmosphere, scientists can calculate the approximate age of the material.

2. Why is carbon-14 dating used to determine the age of the Iceman?

The Iceman, also known as Ötzi, is a well-preserved mummy found in the Alps in 1991. The Iceman is believed to be about 5,300 years old, which is within the range of carbon-14 dating. Since the Iceman is an organic material, the amount of C-14 in his body can be measured and used to estimate the time of his death.

3. What are the limitations of carbon-14 dating?

Carbon-14 dating can only be used on organic materials, so it cannot be used to date rocks or other inorganic materials. It also has a limited range of about 50,000 years, so it cannot be used to determine the age of extremely old materials. Additionally, external factors such as contamination or changes in the atmosphere can affect the accuracy of the results.

4. How accurate is carbon-14 dating?

The accuracy of carbon-14 dating depends on the sample being tested and the method used to measure the C-14 levels. In general, the method is most accurate for materials with ages between 500 and 50,000 years. The margin of error can range from a few years to a few hundred years.

5. Can carbon-14 dating be used to determine the exact date of the Iceman's death?

No, carbon-14 dating can only provide an estimate of the time of death based on the amount of C-14 remaining in the body. Other factors, such as the preservation of the body and the environment in which it was found, can also affect the accuracy of the estimate. Therefore, the date of the Iceman's death is not exact, but rather a range of possible dates based on the results of carbon-14 dating.

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