Determining Momentum from Wavefunction

In summary: A QM analysis of graphene sounds like quite an advanced specialist...can you elaborate on what you mean by an "analysis"?I'm not sure what you mean by "analysis". Can you describe what you are trying to do in more detail?I'm not sure what you mean by "analysis". Can you describe what you are trying to do in more detail?
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FermiDIrac19
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Determining the momentum (2D) in a quantum system from the wavefunction values and the eigenergies.
The goal I am trying to achieve is to determine the momentum (2D) in a quantum system from the wavefunction values and the eigenergies. How would I go about this in a general manner? Any pointers to resources would be helpfull.
 
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FermiDIrac19 said:
Summary:: Determining the momentum (2D) in a quantum system from the wavefunction values and the eigenergies.

The goal I am trying to achieve is to determine the momentum (2D) in a quantum system from the wavefunction values and the eigenergies. How would I go about this in a general manner? Any pointers to resources would be helpfull.
How much QM do you know?
 
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PeroK said:
How much QM do you know?
I took an introductory course on QM. But it seems I am missing some fundamental steps to understand this process.
 
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FermiDIrac19 said:
I took an introductory course on QM. But it seems I am missing some fundamental steps to understand this process.
When you say "determine the momentum" can you be mathematically precise about what you want to calculate?
 
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PeroK said:
When you say "determine the momentum" can you be mathematically precise about what you want to calculate?
Well, specifically I want to determine what angle a state is in, in a quantum system. I thought this would be best determined from the x- and y- values of the momentum values of the system.
 
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FermiDIrac19 said:
Well, specifically I want to determine what angle a state is in, in a quantum system. I thought this would be best determined from the x- and y- values of the momentum values of the system.
If you know the position-space wavefunction, you can inverse Fourier transform it to get the momentum-space wavefunction. That tells you all there is to know about momentum for the given wavefunction.

Note that QM is probabilistic when it comes to position and momentum values that result from measurement.
 
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PeroK said:
If you know the position-space wavefunction, you can inverse Fourier transform it to get the momentum-space wavefunction. That tells you all there is to know about momentum for the given wavefunction.

Note that QM is probabilistic when it comes to position and momentum values that result from measurement.
Thank you for the reply.

I should have specified that I am talking about wavefunction values in position space and determining the momentum computationally.
 
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FermiDIrac19 said:
Thank you for the reply.

I should have specified that I am talking about wavefunction values in position space and determining the momentum computationally.
There is no momentum to compute. That's why you have a wavefunction in QM instead of a definite position and momentum. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle and all that.
 
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PeroK said:
There is no momentum to compute. That's why you have a wavefunction in QM instead of a definite position and momentum. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle and all that.
I'm confused. Could I not in a 2D eigenstate of a quantum system determine the momentum as an approxmation of a derivative in the 2D lattice of the wavefunction values?
 
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FermiDIrac19 said:
I'm confused. Could I not in a 2D eigenstate of a quantum system determine the momentum as an approxmation of a derivative in the 2D lattice of the wavefunction values?
No. This is not QM.
 
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PeroK said:
No. This is not QM.
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Can I not approximate this derivative to gain the expectaion value of momentum?

(sorry for the image, the latex didn't work)
 
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FermiDIrac19 said:
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Can I not approximate this derivative to gain the expectaion value of momentum?

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It depends on the wavefunction. The alternative is to Fourier transform to momentum space.

Once you have a specific wavefunction then you use numerical methods.
 
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PeroK said:
It depends on the wavefunction. The alternative is to Fourier transform to momentum space.

Once you have a specific wavefunction then you use numerical methods.
Thank you for your responses.

Do you have any resources I can use to read more about this?

I'm having trouble understanding the quantisation in my system.

To give more info: I have a system of graphene that I simulated in the python package kwant. This has open boundary condition in one direction and periodic boundary conditions in the other. From this I should be able to deduce the values of the momentum in each eigenstate using the momentum operator. How would I go about this?
 
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FermiDIrac19 said:
Thank you for your responses.

Do you have any resources I can use to read more about this?

I'm having trouble understanding the quantisation in my system.

To give more info: I have a system of graphene that I simulated in the python package kwant. This has open boundary condition in one direction and periodic boundary conditions in the other. From this I should be able to deduce the values of the momentum in each eigenstate using the momentum operator. How would I go about this?
A QM analysis of graphene sounds like quite an advanced specialist question!
 

1. What is momentum in the context of wavefunctions?

Momentum is a physical quantity that describes the motion of an object. In the context of wavefunctions, momentum is a measure of the uncertainty in an object's position and velocity.

2. How do you determine momentum from a wavefunction?

To determine momentum from a wavefunction, you can use the momentum operator, which is represented by the symbol "p". This operator acts on the wavefunction and gives the momentum as a result.

3. Can the momentum of a particle be determined with 100% accuracy?

No, according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, it is impossible to determine both the position and momentum of a particle with 100% accuracy. There will always be some degree of uncertainty in the measurement of momentum from a wavefunction.

4. How is momentum related to the wavelength of a wavefunction?

The momentum of a wavefunction is directly proportional to its wavelength. This means that as the wavelength increases, the momentum also increases.

5. What is the significance of determining momentum from a wavefunction?

Determining momentum from a wavefunction is important in understanding the behavior of particles at the quantum level. It allows us to make predictions about the motion and interactions of particles, and is essential in many areas of physics, such as quantum mechanics and atomic physics.

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