Differentiating an integral and finding f(x)

In summary, the conversation is discussing the solution to the problem of finding all f(x) that satisfy the equation ∫f dx ∫1/f dx = -1. The solution involves solving for ∫1/f dx and differentiating both sides, which leads to the conclusion that f = ±f '. However, there is confusion about how to prove the solution and whether or not it is legal to give values to fit the desired result. It is also noted that there is an error in the solution, as the constant, c, does not cancel in the final equation unless k1 and k2 are equal to 0.
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supermiedos
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Homework Statement


Find all f(x) satisfying:
∫f dx ∫1/f dx = -1

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved for ∫1/f dx and differentiated both sides (using the quotient rule for the right side):
∫1/f dx = -1 / ∫f dx
1/f = f / (∫f dx)2
(∫f dx)2 = f2
∫fdx = ±f

f = ±f'

Solving the differential equation for f = f ' I get f = cex

But when I try to prove if my solution is correct, I got:

∫cex dx ∫ 1/(cex) dx = -1
(ex + k1)(-e-x + k2) = -1
And I don't know what to do to get -1 on the left side.

Could you give me a hint please?
 
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supermiedos said:

Homework Statement


Find all f(x) satisfying:
∫f dx ∫1/f dx = -1

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved for ∫1/f dx and differentiated both sides (using the quotient rule for the right side):
∫1/f dx = -1 / ∫f dx
1/f = f / (∫f dx)2
(∫f dx)2 = f2
∫fdx = ±f

f = ±f '
Wow! It's hard to see the ' on ƒ '
Solving the differential equation for f = f ' I get f = cex

But when I try to prove if my solution is correct, I got:

∫cex dx ∫ 1/(cex) dx = -1
(ex + k1)(-e-x + k2) = -1
And I don't know what to do to get -1 on the left side.

Could you give me a hint please?
It's been edited. (Sorry for messing up that quote originally.)
It works if k1 = k2 = 0 .

Also, where did the constant, c, go in your last line?
 
  • #3
SammyS said:
Wow! It's hard to see the ' on ƒ '
Solving the differential equation for f = f ' I get f = cex

But when I try to prove if my solution is correct, I got:

∫cex dx ∫ 1/(cex) dx = -1
(ex + k1)(-e-x + k2) = -1
And I don't know what to do to get -1 on the left side.

Could you give me a hint please?[/QUOTE]
It works is k1 = k2 = 0 .

But is it legal to do that? Giving values to fit the desired result?

Also, where did the constant, c, go in your last line?[/QUOTE]
"c" canceled with the another "c" in the denominator of the second integral.
 
  • #4
supermiedos said:
"c" canceled with the another "c" in the denominator of the second integral.
c does not cancel if k1, k2 ≠ 0 .

You're right.

I was missing the fact that you can factor c out of the integrals or equivalently, you can have the integration constants "absorb" c.
 
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1. What is the difference between differentiating an integral and finding f(x)?

Differentiating an integral involves finding the derivative of the integral, while finding f(x) involves finding the value of the function at a specific point.

2. How do you differentiate an integral?

To differentiate an integral, you can use the fundamental theorem of calculus, which states that the derivative of an integral is equal to the integrand evaluated at the upper limit of the integral.

3. Can you find f(x) by differentiating an integral?

No, finding f(x) involves finding the value of the function at a specific point, while differentiating an integral involves finding the derivative of the integral as a whole.

4. Is it possible to differentiate an indefinite integral?

Yes, it is possible to differentiate an indefinite integral, as long as the integrand is a continuous function.

5. What is the relationship between differentiating an integral and finding the antiderivative?

The antiderivative of a function is the inverse operation of differentiation, and finding the antiderivative is often used to evaluate indefinite integrals.

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