Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian

In summary, the conversation discusses solving the double pendulum problem with two masses using different coordinates and the question of whether the Lagrangian remains invariant. The conversation also touches on the problem of the spherical double pendulum and its mathematica picture.
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Rather than solve the double pendulum problem with two masses in the usual way.

Instead express the coordinates of the second mass, in terms of the coordinates of the mass above it.

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$ x2=x_1+\xi = L_1Sin[\theta]Cos[\phi]+L_2Sin[\alpha]Cos[\beta]$\\
$ y2=y_1+ \eta = L_1Sin[\theta]Sin[\phi]+L_2Sin[\alpha]Sin[\beta]$\\
$ z2=z_1-\xi = L_1-L_1Cos[\theta]-L_2Sin[\alpha]Cos[\beta]$
[/tex]Wouldn't you suspect that the Lagrangian remain invariant? Is there a way to reparameterize these equations?

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No one has any opinions?

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
 

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Then the problem I'm interested in is the following
 

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I'm not sure if I had defined z_2 correct:
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$ z2=z_1-\xi = L_1-L_1Cos[\theta]-L_2Cos[\alpha]$

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Related to Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian

1. What is a double pendulum and what is the Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian?

A double pendulum is a physical system consisting of two pendulums connected by a joint. The Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian is a mathematical framework used to model the motion of a double pendulum, taking into account the effects of gravity, mass, and length of the pendulums.

2. What is the significance of the Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian?

The Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian is significant because it provides a more accurate and comprehensive understanding of the motion of a double pendulum compared to simpler models. It takes into account the non-linear behavior of the system, making it a useful tool for studying and predicting the motion of double pendulums in various scenarios.

3. How does the Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian differ from the traditional Lagrangian?

The traditional Lagrangian, also known as the single pendulum Lagrangian, only considers the motion of a single pendulum. The Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian, on the other hand, takes into account the motion of two pendulums connected by a joint, making it a more complex and comprehensive model.

4. What are the limitations of the Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian?

The Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian assumes that the pendulums are ideal and that there is no friction or external forces acting on the system. In reality, these assumptions may not hold true, leading to discrepancies between the model and the actual motion of a double pendulum.

5. How is the Double Pendulum Problem - Lagrangian used in real-world applications?

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