Euler-Lagrange Brachistochrone Problem in rotating system

Your name]In summary, the conversation discusses finding the trajectory of a bead sliding on a frictionless wire in a rotating frame and minimizing the time of motion. The correct integral for the time of motion in the rotating frame is given, and the approach for finding the trajectory in the stationary frame is outlined using the Euler-Lagrange equation.
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Homework Statement


Bead slides on a wire (no friction) shaped as [itex]r = r(\theta) [/itex] in the Oxy plane. The Oxy plane and the constraining wire rotate about Oz with [itex]\omega = const[/itex]
[itex]r, \theta[/itex] is the rotating polar frame; [itex]r, \phi[/itex] is the stationary frame.
Find the trajectory [itex]r = r(\phi)[/itex] in the stationary frame.


Homework Equations


Minimize the time of motion
[itex]T = \frac{1}{\omega} \int_{\pi/2}^{\phi_1} \sqrt{\frac{r'^2+r^2}{r}} d\phi[/itex]
in polar coordinates

The Attempt at a Solution


The trajectory [itex]r = r(\phi)[/itex] in the inertial frame is unknown; In the rotating frame the trajectory is known: it is [itex]r = r(\theta) [/itex]. Then the integral in the rotating frame becomes

[itex]T = \frac{1}{\omega} \int_{0}^{t_1} \sqrt{\frac{\dot{r}^2(\theta)+r^2(\theta) (\dot{\theta}+\omega)^2}{r(\theta)}} dt[/itex],
because
[itex]\phi=\theta+\omega t[/itex] and
[itex]\frac{dr}{d\phi}=\frac{\dot{r}}{\dot{\phi}}=\frac{\dot{\theta}}{\dot{\theta}+\omega}[/itex]

I have tried to write the integral into the rotating polar frame and then enforce the constraint, by substituting [itex]r[/itex] and its derivative through [itex]\theta[/itex] and [itex]\dot{\theta}[/itex]. Then I'll minimize [itex]T[/itex]with Euler-Lagrange
[itex]\frac{\partial J}{\partial\theta}-\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial J}{\partial\dot{\theta}}=0[/itex]

Is this correct?
 
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Thank you for your question. Your approach seems to be on the right track. However, there are a few things that need to be clarified.

Firstly, in order to minimize the time of motion, the integral should be taken from \phi_0 to \phi_1, where \phi_0 is the initial angle and \phi_1 is the final angle. This will give the total time of motion.

Secondly, in the integral in the rotating frame, there should also be a term for the centripetal acceleration, which is given by r(\theta)\omega^2. So the integral should be:

T = \frac{1}{\omega} \int_{\phi_0}^{\phi_1} \sqrt{\frac{\dot{r}^2(\theta)+r^2(\theta) (\dot{\theta}+\omega)^2+r(\theta)\omega^2}{r(\theta)}} d\theta

This will give the correct expression for the time of motion in the rotating frame.

To find the trajectory r = r(\phi) in the stationary frame, you can use the constraint equation r = r(\theta) and the relation between \phi and \theta (as you did in your attempt) to eliminate \theta from the integral. This will give an expression for the time of motion in terms of r and its derivatives with respect to \phi. You can then minimize this expression with respect to r(\phi) using the Euler-Lagrange equation, as you suggested.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any further questions.
 

1. What is the Euler-Lagrange Brachistochrone Problem in a rotating system?

The Euler-Lagrange Brachistochrone Problem in a rotating system is a mathematical problem that involves finding the shortest path between two points in a rotating system, where the force of gravity is not constant.

2. Who first formulated the Euler-Lagrange Brachistochrone Problem?

The problem was first formulated by Swiss mathematician Leonhard Euler and Italian mathematician Joseph-Louis Lagrange in the 18th century.

3. What is the significance of the Euler-Lagrange Brachistochrone Problem in physics?

The problem has significant implications in physics, particularly in the field of classical mechanics. It helps in understanding the motion of objects under the influence of non-constant gravitational forces.

4. How is the Euler-Lagrange Brachistochrone Problem solved?

The problem is solved using the calculus of variations, specifically the Euler-Lagrange equation. This equation helps in finding the path that minimizes the time taken for an object to travel between two points in a rotating system.

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