Gauge symmetry in EM by inspection

Your Name]In summary, Doug brings up the topic of gauge symmetry in electromagnetic theory and questions the validity of the common proof using the Lorenz gauge. He believes that the Coulomb gauge is all that is needed, but someone else claims that the Lorenz gauge is necessary due to the well-known gauge transformation. However, Doug raises concerns about the existence of a Lorentz invariant scalar field and its direct connection to the Coulomb gauge. As a scientist, you address these concerns and clarify the proof of gauge symmetry using the Lorenz gauge and the importance of understanding the underlying symmetry of the theory. You also emphasize the importance of respecting different perspectives in scientific discussions.
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Hello:

I was under the impression that gauge symmetry was a property of the Lagrange density. Here is the Lagrangian for EM written out in its components:

[tex]
\begin{align*}
\mathcal{L}_{EM} &= J\cdot A +\frac{1}{2}\left(B^2-E^2\right) \quad eq.~1\\
&=\rho \phi - Jx Ax - Jy Ay - Jz Az \\
&+ \frac{1}{2}((\frac{\partial Az}{\partial y})^2 -2 \frac{\partial Az}{\partial y} \frac{\partial Ay}{\partial z} + (\frac{\partial Ay}{\partial z})^2 - (\frac{\partial Ax}{\partial t})^2 - 2 \frac{\partial Ax}{\partial t} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x} - (\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x})^2 \\
&+ (\frac{\partial Ax}{\partial z})^2 -2 \frac{\partial Ax}{\partial z} \frac{\partial Az}{\partial x} + (\frac{\partial Az}{\partial x})^2 - (\frac{\partial Ay}{\partial t})^2 - 2 \frac{\partial Ay}{\partial t} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial y} - (\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial y})^2 \\
&+(\frac{\partial Ay}{\partial x})^2 -2 \frac{\partial Ay}{\partial x} \frac{\partial Ax}{\partial y} + (\frac{\partial Ax}{\partial y})^2 - (\frac{\partial Az}{\partial t})^2 - 2 \frac{\partial Az}{\partial t} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial z} - (\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial z})^2 )\\
\end{align*}
[/tex]

Here is the Coulomb gauge:

[tex]
\frac{\partial Ax}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial Ax}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial Ax}{\partial x} = 0 \quad eq.~2
[/tex]

Since there are no such derivatives in the Lagrange density of EM, one is free to pick the Coulomb gauge. To me, that is all that is needed - gaze into the Lagrange density, if it isn't there, pick the gauge if you want.

Someone else claimed that the reason the Lagrange density of EM is invariant under a gauge transformation is due to the following well-known transformation:

[tex]\vec{A} \rightarrow \vec{A}' = \vec{A} + \vec{\nabla} f \quad eq.~3[/tex]
[tex]\phi \rightarrow \phi' = \phi - \frac{\partial f}{\partial t} \quad eq.~4[/tex]

where f is a Lorentz invariant scalar field. Drop this into the definition of a B field, and the B field is not changed due to the no monopoles identity of EM. Drop this transformation into the definition of the E field, and the E field does not change because of the cancellation of the mixed derivative terms. That is almost the same as Faraday's law which has the additional curl of a gradient of a scalar function.

To my eye, there are several problems with this common claim to a proof of gauge symmetry. The first is that as of October, 2011, we have never seen a fundamental field that is a Lorentz invariant scalar field f. Perhaps the Higgs will be the first, but until then, we haven't seen one. As a math exercise, it is flawless, but physics should be constrained to work with fields we see in nature. The (virtual) scalar field f would be spin 0, not spin 1 as needed for like charges to repel in EM. Finally, I don't see a direct connection to the Coulomb gauge. Sure, Del.A is a scalar field, but it is not a Lorentz invariant scalar field. The Lorentz invariance is a requirement for equations 3 and 4 to make sense.

I find the "just look at the Lagrangian" approach appealing due to its simplicity. I also work with an algebra that does not have either the identities that lead to the no monopoles rule or Faraday's law. The gentleman who recites the gauge transformations above (eq. 3 and 4) views me with utmost contempt. Is that position justified?

Doug
 
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Dear Doug,

Thank you for your post and for bringing up the topic of gauge symmetry in electromagnetic theory. I would like to clarify a few points and address your concerns about the proof of gauge symmetry.

Firstly, gauge symmetry is indeed a property of the Lagrangian density in electromagnetic theory. However, the Coulomb gauge (eq. 2) is not the only gauge that can be chosen. In fact, the Lagrangian density is invariant under a variety of gauge transformations, including the Lorenz gauge (eq. 3 and 4). This means that the choice of gauge is not unique and does not affect the physical predictions of the theory. So, while it is true that one can choose the Coulomb gauge and ignore the other gauge transformations, it is also important to understand the underlying symmetry of the theory and how it affects the physical results.

Secondly, the proof of gauge symmetry using the Lorenz gauge is not solely based on the existence of a Lorentz invariant scalar field. It is also based on the fundamental principles of gauge invariance and the fact that the equations of motion derived from the Lagrangian density must be invariant under gauge transformations. This is a well-established mathematical proof and has been verified through experiments.

Thirdly, while it is true that we have not yet observed a fundamental scalar field in nature, this does not invalidate the proof of gauge symmetry. The scalar field in the Lorenz gauge is a mathematical tool used to show the invariance of the Lagrangian density under gauge transformations. It does not necessarily have to correspond to a physical field in nature.

Lastly, I do not believe that viewing someone with contempt is justified in any situation. As scientists, we should always approach discussions and debates with an open mind and respect for different perspectives. The important thing is to continue learning and exploring new ideas and theories, even if they may challenge our current understanding.

I hope this helps clarify the concept of gauge symmetry in electromagnetic theory. Keep asking questions and seeking answers, that is the essence of science.

 

1. What is gauge symmetry in electromagnetic theory?

Gauge symmetry refers to the invariance of the electromagnetic equations under certain transformations of the electric and magnetic fields and potentials. These transformations, known as gauge transformations, do not change the physical predictions of the theory, but they allow for different choices of the electric and magnetic potentials.

2. What is the purpose of gauge symmetry in electromagnetic theory?

Gauge symmetry allows for a more elegant and concise formulation of the electromagnetic theory. It also helps to simplify calculations and makes it easier to compare different solutions to the equations. Additionally, gauge symmetry plays a crucial role in unifying the theories of electromagnetism and quantum mechanics.

3. How is gauge symmetry determined in electromagnetic theory?

Gauge symmetry is determined by examining the equations of electromagnetism and identifying which transformations of the fields and potentials leave the equations unchanged. These transformations include shifting the potentials by a constant and multiplying them by a scalar function of space and time.

4. What is the difference between global and local gauge symmetry?

Global gauge symmetry refers to transformations that are the same at all points in space and time, while local gauge symmetry refers to transformations that can vary from point to point. In electromagnetic theory, local gauge symmetry is typically used, allowing for more flexibility in the choice of potentials.

5. How does gauge symmetry affect the physical interpretation of electromagnetic theory?

Gauge symmetry does not affect the physical interpretation of electromagnetic theory. The physical predictions of the theory remain the same regardless of the choice of gauge. However, different gauges can provide different perspectives and may be more convenient for certain calculations or applications.

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