How can one know the initial state from measurements?

In summary, the conversation discusses the theoretical problem of determining the initial state of a system, with a focus on pure states. It is noted that repeated measurements can only give information about the absolute values of coefficients, not their relative phases. Various methods for determining the relative phases, such as quantum tomography and homodyne measurements, are mentioned. It is also mentioned that there is a minimum number of measurements needed to determine the initial state of a mixed state.
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Theoretical problems often begin with "given a system in state ψ0" For example, the 2-slit experiment begins with the assumption of a plane wave incident on the slits. I had always understood to this mean some prior set of measurements had been made to determine the initial state. But how can this be done in principle?

For simplicity, suppose our system is such that a single observable O is sufficient for a complete description, and the eigenvalues of O have discrete spectrum. Let ϕk be the orthonormalized eigenstate corresponding to the kth eigenvalue of O. Then any initial state of the system has the form

ψ0 = ∑ ak ϕk

To know the initial state ψ0 is to know all the ak . But repeated measurements of O can only give us |ak|2. So how can we ever know the relative phases?

I expect there must be some way of making measurements so as to take advantage of "interference effects" to get the phases. Can someone else explain further?

In the case of spin 1/2, I derived a way of getting the relative phases of the up and down coefficients by making measurements of the spin along the other two axes, and using the resulting amplitudes to calculate the relative phase along the desired axis. This works. But what about the general case?
 
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One creates the initial state by preparation, using the knowledge about which kind of experimental arrangement produces which state.
 
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What you did was akin to linear inversion, one of the methods for doing quantum tomography which is what you need in general.

The problem of determining pure states ("wave functions" as opposed to mixtures) came to be known as the Pauli problem. Pauli originally asked whether the measurements of position and momentum suffice to determine the wave function, and the answer is no. Weigert 1992 discusses the problem, for example. For finite-dimensional systems and general measurements, the problem of minimal measurements was solved by Flammia et al. (up to a set of measure zero, later addressed by Finkelstein). If you restrict yourselves to orthogonal basis measurements, I believe the current best result is that five bases are enough in an arbitrary finite dimension.

For an infinite-dimensional system, doing homodyne measurements for all phase space angles (essentially the observables ##x\cos \theta + p\sin \theta##) is one way to determine the wave function.
 
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Truecrimson said:
I believe the current best result is that five bases are enough in an arbitrary finite dimension.
... but only if you know (or assume) that the system is in a pure state. To get the state of an unknown source (which is in general a mixed state) you need at least ##N^2-1## binary test statistics, and this many suffice.
 
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Yes, the last two paragraphs of my reply were all about pure states.
 

Related to How can one know the initial state from measurements?

1. How do measurements help determine the initial state?

Measurements provide information about the physical properties of a system, which can be used to infer the initial state of the system. By carefully analyzing the measurements, scientists can determine the initial conditions that led to the observed state.

2. What types of measurements are used to determine the initial state?

Scientists use a variety of measurements, such as position, velocity, and energy, to determine the initial state of a system. These measurements can be obtained through experiments, observations, or simulations.

3. Can the initial state be accurately determined from measurements?

While measurements can provide valuable information about the initial state, there are often uncertainties and limitations that can affect the accuracy of the determination. Factors such as experimental error, measurement precision, and the complexity of the system can all impact the accuracy of the initial state determination.

4. Are there any limitations to using measurements to determine the initial state?

One limitation is that measurements can only provide information about the current state of a system. In order to determine the initial state, scientists must make assumptions and use mathematical models to extrapolate from the measured data. This can introduce additional uncertainties and may not always accurately reflect the true initial state.

5. How can scientists improve the accuracy of determining the initial state from measurements?

Scientists can improve the accuracy of initial state determination by using more precise and advanced measurement techniques, conducting multiple measurements, and refining mathematical models to better represent the system. Collaborating with other scientists and conducting further research can also help to improve the accuracy of initial state determination.

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