How do we know the Hamiltonian is well-defined

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In summary, the Hamiltonian is derived from the Lagrangian using a Legendre transform, which involves choosing a particular set of coordinates. However, it is important to ensure that the Hamiltonian's value remains the same regardless of which coordinates are used for the transformation. While some derivations may overlook this point, it is a fundamental requirement that the equations of motion remain equivalent in both the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations. This is due to the invariance of Hamilton's principle under point transformations and the larger group of canonical transformations.
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I have been reading about the derivation of the Hamiltonian from the Lagrangian using a Legendre transform. The Lagrangian is a variable whose value, by definition, is independent of the coordinates used to express it. (The Lagrangian is defined by means of a formula in one set of coordinates, and the formula for its value in any other set of coordinates is simply what you get from substituting the coordinate-transformation functions into the original formula).

The Hamiltonian is defined as the Legendre transform of the Lagrangian, with respect to a particular set of coordinates. The formula for that transform uses the chosen coordinates. So the Hamiltonian is not well-defined unless we can be certain that the value will be the same if we use any different set of coordinates to perform the Legendre transformation.

The derivations I have seen have not addressed this point. They just seem to assume the Hamiltonian will be well-defined.

Am I missing something obvious here? Is there a simple reason why the Hamiltonian's value will not depend on the coordinates used to derive it?
 
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When going from a Lagrangian formulation to a Hamiltonian one, the equations of motion remain equivalent. Consequently, if the equations of motion derived from L1 and L2 are equivalent, then the ones derived from H1 and H2 will also be equivalent.
 
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The Lagrangian formulation of Hamilton's principle is invariant under point transformations (diffeomorphisms in configuration space), and the Hamiltonian formulation even under the larger group of canonical transformations (symplectomorphisms on phase space). This implies what Bill_K said about the equations of motion.
 

1. What does it mean for the Hamiltonian to be well-defined?

The Hamiltonian being well-defined means that it is a mathematically sound and consistent operator that accurately describes the dynamics of a system. It must produce unique and physically meaningful results for all possible initial conditions.

2. How do we know if the Hamiltonian is well-defined?

We can determine if the Hamiltonian is well-defined by checking if it satisfies certain mathematical properties, such as being Hermitian and bounded from below. Additionally, we can test it by using it to solve physical problems and see if the results are consistent and make sense.

3. What happens if the Hamiltonian is not well-defined?

If the Hamiltonian is not well-defined, it means that it does not accurately describe the dynamics of the system and may produce inconsistent or nonsensical results. This can lead to incorrect predictions and interpretations of physical phenomena.

4. Can the Hamiltonian be well-defined for all systems?

No, the Hamiltonian may not be well-defined for all systems. It depends on the nature of the system and the mathematical framework used to describe it. Some systems may require a more complex or non-standard Hamiltonian to accurately describe their dynamics.

5. How does the concept of well-definedness relate to the Hamiltonian in quantum mechanics?

In quantum mechanics, the Hamiltonian must be well-defined in order for the system to have a unique and physically meaningful state. This is because the Hamiltonian is used to calculate the time evolution of the system, and if it is not well-defined, the results will not accurately represent the behavior of the system.

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