How to define ##\nabla \cdot D ## at the interface between dielectrics

In summary: The Dirac equation does not hold at the interfaces between several dielectrics. You have to define ##\nabla \cdot E## or ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interfaces between several dielectrics.
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Defining ##\nabla \cdot D## or ##\nabla \cdot E## at the interface between dielectrics
It is believed that Maxwell equations (together with other relations depending on the materials) are sufficient to account for any electromagnetic macroscopic effect.
The problem is that, for a Maxwell equation to hold, it must at least be defined.
Consider for example the case of two dielectrics of distinct permittivities, say ##\epsilon_1## and ##\epsilon_2##. We assume for the sake of simplicity that ##D_{conductor 1} = \epsilon_1 E_{conductor 1}## and ##D_{conductor 2} = \epsilon_2 E_{conductor 2},## which already covers a lot of dielectrics.
We also assume that the dielectrics carry no free charge, so Maxwell equation reads ##\nabla \cdot D = 0##.
Let finally restrict ourselves to the electrostatic case.

If the two dielectrics interface at a surface S, then the normal component of E is discontinuous at S, its tangential component is continuous, while the normal component of D is continuous and the tangential components of D are, in general, discontinuous.
For the field E, we could define ##\nabla \cdot E## using the Dirac distribution.
I guess something like that is possible for defining ##\nabla \cdot D##, despite I don't see exactly how (the difference between E and D is that E has only one discontinuous component).

Now, even if a Dirac distribution artifice is possible whenever the interface between two dielectrics is a surface, I see no way to define ##\nabla \cdot E## or ##\nabla \cdot D## whenever three or more dielectrics interface at an edge, or whenever several dielectric interface at a vertex point.

Any idea/knowledge to save Maxwell equations?
 
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At boundaries of two media you have to apply the integral definition of the differential operators, possibly generalized to their forms describing discontinuities. If you have no free charge, i.e., ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{D}## using a Gaussian pill box with two of its surfaces parallel to the boundary tells you that the normal component of ##\vec{D}## is continuous, while the normal component of ##\vec{E}## is not. That's because there's a non-zero net-surface charge along the boundary, because of the different polarizability (permittivities) in the different media. from ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}## using a surface with two sides parallel to the boundary and using Stokes's integral theorem tells you that the components tangential to the boundary are continuous.
 
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vanhees71 said:
At boundaries of two media you have to apply the integral definition of the differential operators, possibly generalized to their forms describing discontinuities. If you have no free charge, i.e., ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{D}## using a Gaussian pill box with two of its surfaces parallel to the boundary tells you that the normal component of ##\vec{D}## is continuous, while the normal component of ##\vec{E}## is not. That's because there's a non-zero net-surface charge along the boundary, because of the different polarizability (permittivities) in the different media. from ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}## using a surface with two sides parallel to the boundary and using Stokes's integral theorem tells you that the components tangential to the boundary are continuous.
Thanks for your answer.
Yes, that's classic and I wrote that in the question too. Not of any help to define ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interfaces between several dielectrics unfortunately.
 
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If you have a singularity at the surface, of course, you can't define a quantity on the surface. You have to describe what happens at the surface by describing the corresponding singularities, i.e., in this case by the surface divergence and surface curl.
 
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vanhees71 said:
If you have a singularity at the surface, of course, you can't define a quantity on the surface. You have to describe what happens at the surface by describing the corresponding singularities, i.e., in this case by the surface divergence and surface curl.

Actually the problem is not surfaces but edges and vertices. The essential point in my question is contained in the last 3 lines.
 

1. What is the definition of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics?

The definition of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics is the divergence of the electric displacement vector, D, at the boundary between two different dielectric materials. It represents the change in electric flux across the interface and is an important factor in understanding the behavior of electric fields in heterogeneous materials.

2. How is ##\nabla \cdot D## calculated at the interface between dielectrics?

The calculation of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics involves taking the dot product of the gradient operator, ##\nabla##, and the electric displacement vector, D. This results in a scalar value that represents the change in electric flux at the interface.

3. What is the significance of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics?

The significance of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics lies in its role in determining the behavior of electric fields in heterogeneous materials. It helps to understand how electric flux changes at the boundary between different dielectric materials, and can be used to calculate the strength and direction of electric fields in these materials.

4. How does the value of ##\nabla \cdot D## change at the interface between dielectrics?

The value of ##\nabla \cdot D## can change at the interface between dielectrics depending on the properties of the materials involved. If the dielectric constants of the materials are different, there will be a change in the electric flux at the interface, resulting in a non-zero value for ##\nabla \cdot D##. If the dielectric constants are the same, the value of ##\nabla \cdot D## will be zero at the interface.

5. How does the definition of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics relate to other equations in electromagnetism?

The definition of ##\nabla \cdot D## at the interface between dielectrics is closely related to other equations in electromagnetism, such as Gauss's Law and the continuity equation. It helps to understand the behavior of electric fields in heterogeneous materials and is an important factor in solving problems involving electric flux and charge distribution in these materials.

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