Hyperbolic PDE with only one characteristic

In summary, the conversation is about solving a PDE using the method of characteristics, as described in Kreyszig's Advanced Engineering Mathematics. The problem is to find a way to solve the equation using this method, and the conversation discusses the difficulty of doing so and potential solutions. One method involves differentiating both sides of the equation by y, while another involves defining new constants. However, the author's method is not well-defined and may not produce meaningful solutions.
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Hello all,

Homework Statement


$$x{u_{xy}} - y{u_{yy}} = 0$$ Assume $$x,y \in {\rm{Reals}}$$

Homework Equations


I have been able to solve this using different methods, but my classmates and I are trying to figure out if there is a way to do this using the methods from the course's text. The problem is out of Kreyszig's Advanced Engineering Mathematics. It introduces the concept of characteristics to solve PDEs.

The method puts a PDE in the form:
$$A{u_{xx}} + 2B{u_{xy}} + C{u_{yy}} = F\left( {x,y,u,{u_x},{u_y}} \right)$$
Then if
$$AC - {B^2}\left\{ {\matrix{
{ < 0} & \Rightarrow & {{\rm{Hyperbolic}}} \cr
{ = 0} & { \Rightarrow {\rm{ }}} & {{\rm{Parabolic}}} \cr
{ > 0} & { \Rightarrow {\rm{ }}} & {{\rm{Elliptic}}} \cr

} } \right.$$
Then solve the characteristic equation $$A{\left( {y'} \right)^2} - 2By' + C = 0$$ where $$y' = {{dy} \over {dx}}$$ to find constants ##\phi \left( {x,y} \right)## and ##\psi \left( {x,y} \right)##.

Knowing the type of equation allows one to make a substitution of variables. The equation of interest is hyperbolic, so $$v = \phi \left( {x,y} \right)$$ and $$w = \psi \left( {x,y} \right)$$.
The normal form of such a PDE is $${u_{vw}} = F$$
With this background, please give input on this problem.

The Attempt at a Solution


$$x{u_{xy}} - y{u_{yy}} = 0$$
$$\eqalign{
& \Rightarrow A = 0,B = {x \over 2},C = - y \cr
& \Rightarrow AC - {B^2} = - {{{x^2}} \over 4} \cr} $$
If ##x = 0## the PDE is parabolic. My professor said to ignore this case, as it does not produce meaningful solutions. (This may be the source of the error).

If ##x \ne 0##, the solution is hyperbolic.
$$A{\left( {y'} \right)^2} - 2By' + C = - {{{x^2}} \over 2}y' - y = 0$$
$$ \Rightarrow y = {c \over x},c \buildrel \wedge \over = {\rm{const}}{\rm{.}}$$
$$ \Rightarrow c = xy$$
$$\phi = xy,\psi = ?$$
Here is the rub! There exists only one, non-repeating characteristic which is not consistent with the hyperbolic change of variables! Therefore,
$$v = xy,w = ?$$
Using the internet, the author chose ##v = xy,w = x##, which he introduces as the change of variables for the parabolic case, yet in his solution, he defines the equation as hyperbolic.

From here, we cannot find a way to arrive at the solution using the method described in the text. We have substituted ##x \leftrightarrow y##, and were able to arrive at a solution, but this is not a method discussed in the text.

Is this bad text writing, or are we missing something? If we are, I imagine it has to do with the assertion that the parabolic case is not meaningful.

Thank you for any help you can provide to sate our curiosity,
##\Psi \left( {x,t} \right)##

EDIT: Small fixes and formatting.
 
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The fact that the equation 'becomes parabolic at x= 0 is, in a sense, responsible. The difficulty, and solution, is that we can write the equation in terms of [itex]u_y[/itex], not just u. If we let [itex]U= u_y[/itex] the equation becomes [itex]xU_x- yU_y= 0[/itex], [itex]xU_x= yU_y[/itex] which gives characteristic [itex]\frac{dy}{y}= \frac{dx}{x}[/itex] and so [itex]y= Cx[/itex] or [itex]\frac{y}{x}= C[/itex]. The two characteristics are [itex]\phi(x,y)= xy[/itex] and [itex]\psi(x,y)= \frac{y}{x}[/itex].
 
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That's a much more elegant method than my solution! Thank you for your input. Just to clarify, to get a characteristic for the original equation and get to the author's ##w=x##, one would differentiate both sides by ##y##, and define a new constant, correct?

So it would appear, that using the exact method of detailed in the section of the problem will not yield any solution? The book is not very well edited to begin with, so this would not surprise me.

Thank you for your time,
##\Psi \left(x,t \right)##
 

1. What is a hyperbolic PDE with only one characteristic?

A hyperbolic PDE with only one characteristic is a type of partial differential equation (PDE) in which the highest order derivative appears with a coefficient of opposite sign compared to the other derivatives. This leads to a unique direction of propagation, known as the characteristic direction, for the solutions of the equation.

2. What are some examples of hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic?

Some examples of hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic include the wave equation, the heat equation, and the advection equation. These types of equations are commonly used to model physical phenomena such as waves, heat transfer, and fluid flow.

3. What is the importance of studying hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic?

Hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic have important applications in many fields, including physics, engineering, and finance. They also have special properties that make them well-suited for numerical methods, making them useful for solving practical problems.

4. What are some techniques for solving hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic?

There are various techniques for solving hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic, including the method of characteristics, finite difference methods, and finite element methods. The choice of method depends on the specific equation and problem being solved.

5. Are there any challenges associated with solving hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic?

Yes, there can be challenges when solving hyperbolic PDEs with only one characteristic. These equations are known to have discontinuous solutions, which can make them difficult to analyze and solve. Additionally, the characteristic direction of propagation can lead to issues with stability and accuracy in numerical methods.

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