Is the fabric of space displaced by a mass object in it?

In summary: I tend to think of mass not only influencing space, but creating it. so at the big bang did space race out ahead of mass or just ride along with it?Maybe "frame dragging" can be considered as an example of a situation where something similar to what the OP describes is actually happening.
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webboffin
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Like water is displaced by a solid object.
 
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webboffin said:
Like water is displaced by a solid object.

There's no particular reason to believe that there is such a thing as the fabric of space. It's not part of the math, no experiment has ever been devised that might give a different result depending on whether it existed or not, and there's nothing that is better explained if it does exist than if it doesn't.

You'll see the word "fabric" used sometimes as a metaphor or analogy in non-mathematical descriptions of General Relativity, but that's just a metaphor; no one is saying that there's a real fabric out there that could be displaced.
 
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Nugatory said:
There's no particular reason to believe that there is such a thing as the fabric of space. It's not part of the math, no experiment has ever been devised that might give a different result depending on whether it existed or not, and there's nothing that is better explained if it does exist than if it doesn't.

You'll see the word "fabric" used sometimes as a metaphor or analogy in non-mathematical descriptions of General Relativity, but that's just a metaphor; no one is saying that there's a real fabric out there that could be displaced.

But space can be warped, bent and twisted by gravity so it has physical properties and dimensions.
 
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webboffin said:
But space can be warped, bent and twisted by gravity so it has physical properties and dimensions.
What list of properties must something have to be considered a "fabric"?

Spacetime can be flat or curved so it could be said to have geometric properties, and by the EFE it could be said to have stress-energy.

It doesn't have kinematic properties like position or velocity.
 
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webboffin said:
But space can be warped, bent and twisted by gravity so it has physical properties and dimensions.

It is SPACETIME that is affected by the presence of mass, not just space. In SR and GR, they are coupled together. This is why trying to picture this as a "fabric" is inaccurate. An analogy can only go so far before it becomes nonsensical if one tries to take it seriously.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
It is SPACETIME that is affected by the presence of mass, not just space. In SR and GR, they are coupled together. This is why trying to picture this as a "fabric" is inaccurate. An analogy can only go so far before it becomes nonsensical if one tries to take it seriously.

Zz.

Maybe I shouldn't take those space documentaries hosted by Morgan Freeman so literally.
 
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was there space before the big bang?

I tend to think of mass not only influencing space, but creating it. so at the big bang did space race out ahead of mass or just ride along with it?
 
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May be "frame dragging" can be considered as an example of a situation where something similar to what the OP describes is actually happening.
 

1. What is the fabric of space?

The fabric of space, also known as spacetime, is the theoretical concept that combines the three dimensions of space with the dimension of time. It is often described as a flexible, 4-dimensional "fabric" that can be affected by the presence of mass and energy.

2. What does it mean for the fabric of space to be displaced by a mass object?

When a mass object, such as a planet or star, is present in the fabric of space, it causes a curvature or "dent" in the fabric. This is due to the object's gravitational pull, which affects the fabric of space itself.

3. How is the fabric of space affected by different objects?

The fabric of space is affected by any object with mass or energy. The larger the mass or energy of the object, the greater the curvature it will cause in the fabric of space. However, even small objects can have an effect, albeit a very small one.

4. Does the displacement of the fabric of space have any practical implications?

Yes, the displacement of the fabric of space has practical implications in the field of astrophysics. It helps us understand the behavior of objects in space, such as the orbit of planets around a star, and can also help us make predictions about the movement of celestial bodies.

5. Is the displacement of the fabric of space a proven concept?

Yes, the displacement of the fabric of space is a well-established concept in the field of physics. It is supported by numerous experiments and observations, such as the bending of starlight by the sun's gravity and the detection of gravitational waves. However, as with any scientific theory, it is always subject to further research and refinement.

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