Lagrangian and Equations of Motion for Conical Pendulum

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem with a picture and the chosen coordinates for analyzing the motion of a mass on a right circular cone. The potential energy is defined to be zero and Lagrange's equations are used to find a solution. However, there is a concern about the correctness of the solution and it is suggested to check with Newton's laws. Additionally, it is pointed out that the problem is a system with two degrees of freedom and two Lagrangian equations should be used to find a solution.
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Mason Smith
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Homework Statement
Consider a conical pendulum. This is a simple pendulum that, instead of swinging back and forth through an equilibrium point, traces out a right circular cone.
Relevant Equations
The Lagrangian is defined as the difference of the kinetic energy T and the potential energy U.
Lagrange's equations say that the partial derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to some generalized coordinate is equal to the time derivative of the partial derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to the time derivative of some generalized coordinate.
Here is a picture of the problem.
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I have chosen the origin to lie in the middle of the circle around which the mass moves. I have also chosen the z axis to pass through the origin and through the vertex of the right circular cone. The x-axis and y-axis are so that one when curls his or her fingers from the x-axis to the y axis, the thumb of the right hand will point in the direction of the z axis. Since the mass lies in the xy plane, I have defined the potential energy U to be zero. This leads to
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Applying Lagrange's equations,
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where ω is the angular velocity.
While this result is convenient, it leads me to question its correctness. If I have made a mistake anywhere, then can anyone please point me in the correct direction for analyzing the motion of the mass? Thanks in advance! :)
 

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This is alright. One way to check correctness is to double check your answer with Newton's laws(whenever possible)
 
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So you have proved that for each ##\theta=const## the particle can rotate in horizontal plane with arbitrary speed . The solution is wrong. Spherical pendulum is a system with two degrees of freedom. You must write two Lagrangian equations first and only after that find particular solutions. Instead that you solve this problem as if it has an additional constraint ##\theta=const##
 
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1. What is a conical pendulum?

A conical pendulum is a type of pendulum in which the bob (the object hanging at the end of the string) moves in a circular motion rather than a back-and-forth motion. This is achieved by suspending the bob from a pivot point that is not directly above the bob, creating a cone-shaped swing path.

2. What is the equation of motion for a conical pendulum?

The equation of motion for a conical pendulum is given by θ'' + (g/L)sinθ = 0, where θ is the angle of the pendulum with respect to the vertical, g is the acceleration due to gravity, and L is the length of the string.

3. How is the Lagrangian used in the analysis of a conical pendulum?

The Lagrangian is a mathematical function that describes the dynamics of a system. In the case of a conical pendulum, it is used to derive the equations of motion by taking the derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to the angle θ. This allows us to find the forces acting on the pendulum and determine its motion.

4. What factors affect the motion of a conical pendulum?

The motion of a conical pendulum is affected by several factors, including the length of the string, the mass of the bob, the initial angle of release, and the strength of gravity. These factors can be manipulated to change the period and frequency of the pendulum's motion.

5. What are some real-life applications of conical pendulums?

Conical pendulums have various practical applications, such as in amusement park rides, where they are used to create swinging motions. They are also used in seismometers to measure the strength and direction of earthquakes. In addition, conical pendulums are often used in educational settings to demonstrate concepts of circular motion and gravity.

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