Need help reading a phase diagram for a lipid DMPC

In summary, the conversation discusses a phase diagram and its various regions and boundaries. It also explains how to determine the fractions of each phase in two-phase regions by placing a point on the graph and drawing horizontal lines out to the two edges. The conversation also touches on factors that govern the appearance and morphology of the resulting domains.
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I understand that Id would be a disordered phase, Io an ordered phase and the other two are regions where 2 phases exist at the same time possible due to cholestrol. I am assuming so means solid ordered.

But other than that I have no idea how to read this phase diagram, or how to make a calculation (part (ii)), if anyone could shed some light it would really be appreciated.

thanks
 
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Starting at the top, you have a single liquid phase.

As you decrease the temperature, if your overall composition is somewhere near 0.3 chol. you will see phase separation into two liquid phases. The critical point is the point on the phase diagram, where the two liquids coalesce into a single point, the tip of the point that looks like a floppy hat.

Inside the "lo - ld" region you have two liquid phases.

Where do you suppose the melting point of pure DMPC is on the graph? Hint: The downward-sloping line from the kink at the left represents the freezing point depression of DMPC with added cholesterol.

In the "so-lo" region you have a solid-liquid region. Solid has the composiiton indicated by the left edge line, liquid has the composition of the right-edge line.

The fractions in each phase in the two phase regions are estimated by placing a point at the overall composition/temperature, and drawing horizontal lines out until you hit a phase boundary line. The lengths of the two lines tell you something about the relative amounts of each phase.
 
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Quantum Defect said:
Starting at the top, you have a single liquid phase.

As you decrease the temperature, if your overall composition is somewhere near 0.3 chol. you will see phase separation into two liquid phases. The critical point is the point on the phase diagram, where the two liquids coalesce into a single point, the tip of the point that looks like a floppy hat.

Inside the "lo - ld" region you have two liquid phases.

Where do you suppose the melting point of pure DMPC is on the graph? Hint: The downward-sloping line from the kink at the left represents the freezing point depression of DMPC with added cholesterol.

In the "so-lo" region you have a solid-liquid region. Solid has the composiiton indicated by the left edge line, liquid has the composition of the right-edge line.

The fractions in each phase in the two phase regions are estimated by placing a point at the overall composition/temperature, and drawing horizontal lines out until you hit a phase boundary line. The lengths of the two lines tell you something about the relative amounts of each phase.

Thats awesome can't thank you enough, we have these diagrams in our class notes but the explanation was VERY brief. Thanks again!

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The fractions in each phase in the two phase regions are estimated by placing a point at the overall composition/temperature, and drawing horizontal lines out until you hit a phase boundary line.

so to do this would you place the point in approximately the centre of the region? i.e. for the S0-lo region the point would be at around 17.5 degrees and half way between 0.05 and .030? i.e. where is the overall composition/temperature point?
 
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rwooduk said:
so to do this would you place the point in approximately the centre of the region? i.e. for the S0-lo region the point would be at around 17.5 degrees and half way between 0.05 and .030? i.e. where is the overall composition/temperature point?

Whatever composition or temperature you are given, you place a point on the graph. If the point is in a two-phase region, you draw a horizontal line out to the two edges. The points on the edges give you the compositions for the two phases.

You can tell the fractions of each of the two phases by solving:

X_t = f_1 x_1 + f_2 x_2, where f's are fractions and x's are compositions.

You can also solve for the fraction graphically. From your line above, imagine a see saw, whose fulcrum sits at the composition of the whole. The length of the left segment is proportional to the fraction of the phase whose composition is given by the right point, and the right segment is proportional to the fraction of the phase whose composition is given by the left point. It seems backwards, but if you imagine the case where your total composition sits close to either phase boundary, the majority phase will be the one closest to your point--the shortest line segment.
 
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Quantum Defect said:
Whatever composition or temperature you are given, you place a point on the graph. If the point is in a two-phase region, you draw a horizontal line out to the two edges. The points on the edges give you the compositions for the two phases.

You can tell the fractions of each of the two phases by solving:

X_t = f_1 x_1 + f_2 x_2, where f's are fractions and x's are compositions.

You can also solve for the fraction graphically. From your line above, imagine a see saw, whose fulcrum sits at the composition of the whole. The length of the left segment is proportional to the fraction of the phase whose composition is given by the right point, and the right segment is proportional to the fraction of the phase whose composition is given by the left point. It seems backwards, but if you imagine the case where your total composition sits close to either phase boundary, the majority phase will be the one closest to your point--the shortest line segment.

Ahh i see, excellent. thanks again!
 
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I've been looking at past exam papers and a common related question to this are the "factors that govern the appearance of the phase separated mixture", or "the factors that control the morphology of the resulting domains".

All we really have to go on is the following slide:

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Obviously there are many domains which eventually merge into 2 domains, but the questions are worth 8 marks and it doesn't really describe the factors, any idea of what I could put should it come up in the exam or something on the internet that explains it more thoroughly? all I can find is research papers.

thanks for any help
 
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I recognise that slide. Doing the bionanophysics exam tomorrow?

For "factors that govern the appearance of the phase separated mixture", or "the factors that control the morphology of the resulting domains", this is referring to the spindodal decomposition, which occurs when the temperature is lowered from a one phase system to a two phase system, and the domains are convoluted and maze like. http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/MSE2094_NoteBook/96ClassProj/pics/spinodb.jpg
See the spinodal decomposition is the centre section.

If the mixture is in the alpha1 region, and the concentration is increase, the domains are formed through the nucleation and growth model. If this happens fast, then the domains will be small in size, because they do not have time to move into their new equilibrium position.

For factors that govern the appearance of the mixture, you could also mention that the Lo phase is thicker than the Ld phase, therefore their hydrophobic tails can be exposed. In order to reduce this, and minimise the Gibbs free energy, the Lo lipids group together, which is what a domain is.
 
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lol yes. Thanks for the description, finally got it in the end.

Good Luck!
 

Related to Need help reading a phase diagram for a lipid DMPC

1. What is a phase diagram for a lipid?

A phase diagram for a lipid is a graphical representation of the different phases or states of matter that a specific lipid can exist in, based on its temperature and composition.

2. What is DMPC and why is it used in phase diagrams?

DMPC stands for dimyristoylphosphatidylcholine, which is a type of phospholipid commonly found in cell membranes. It is used in phase diagrams because it is a well-studied and widely used lipid, making it a good model system for studying lipid behavior.

3. How is a phase diagram for a lipid read?

A phase diagram for a lipid is typically read by looking at the intersection of the temperature and composition axes. The different phases are represented by different regions on the graph, and the phase that a lipid is in can be determined by where its temperature and composition fall on the diagram.

4. What are the different phases that can be seen on a phase diagram for a lipid DMPC?

The different phases that can be seen on a phase diagram for a lipid DMPC include liquid crystalline (Lc), gel (G), ripple (Pβ), and liquid ordered (Lo). These phases represent different arrangements and states of the lipid molecules.

5. How can understanding a phase diagram for a lipid DMPC be useful?

Understanding a phase diagram for a lipid DMPC can be useful for studying the behavior and properties of lipids, which are essential components of cell membranes. It can also help in designing and optimizing drug delivery systems, as well as understanding the effects of temperature and composition on lipid-based products.

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