Occupy Wall Street protest in New-York

[turbo]

I could be worng here but if 2 rapes took place in a 2 month span at Tea party events even tho there have litterally been thousdands you and the media would be freaking out. Making far worse insinuations and claims.

I believe WhoWee was more commenting on the lack of even a condemnation of the act let alone a media uproar.

Let's gain some perspective here. Tea-party events were typically one-day affairs populated by (often) retired people bused in for the events by organizers, and then bused back home. The occupy movement is long-term and continuous, and the larger events are organized enough to provide food and health-care services. Do you not think that such amenities (plus the attraction of a large crowd to blend into) might attract miscreants who are not socially or politically motivated? Comparing the occupy movement with the astroturf Tea-party movement is disingenuous, at best, especially when extrapolating incidents of criminality to condemn one or the other.

 

[Oltz]

Let's gain some perspective here. Tea-party events were typically one-day affairs populated by (often) retired people bused in for the events by organizers, and then bused back home. The occupy movement is long-term and continuous, and the larger events are organized enough to provide food and health-care services. Do you not think that such amenities (plus the attraction of a large crowd to blend into) might attract miscreants who are not socially or politically motivated? Comparing the occupy movement with the astroturf Tea-party movement is disingenuous, at best, especially when extrapolating incidents of criminality to condemn one or the other.

Did I or anyone condemn the movement?
No

I said that the reaction from people would be different not that it actually means anythign about the poeple in the moevment or the movement itself.

This is a comment on coverage and preception not on the actual group of people but on the third party connotation of events assoctiated with the movement.

As you point out the scope and scale of events are very different but do you recall the "tea party yells racial slurs" event and how it turned out that it was actually non tea party people trying intnetionally to disrupt the rally, but we still hear constantly that the tea party is a bunch of racists.

I personally feel that if you put 300 teenage and college people in a field in tents for a month somebody will get raped every 4 or 5 days and only 1 will get reported every month, but you and I both know that is not the reason nobody is making a stink about this.

 

[OmCheeto]

... but you and I both know that is not the reason nobody is making a stink about this.

Because she was probably an under-aged hooker? I know people don't like to talk about such things.

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=32021"
On October 24th I noted a report of a 14 year old girl who was picked up at Occupy Dallas. She told police she’d been having sex with several men including one 23 year old. Today, Dallas Police arrested the man in question:

...

Occupy campsites are not safe places for women.

Maybe we should ban women from going to the Superbowl. It doesn't sound like a safe place for women either:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/01/us-nfl-superbowl-sex-idUSTRE70U6F820110201"
(Reuters) - Pimps will traffic thousands of under-age prostitutes to Texas for Sunday's Super Bowl, hoping to do business with men arriving for the big game with money to burn, child rights advocates said.

All of those poor girls... RAPED!

Actually, this might be a good time to point out the correlation between poverty and under aged prostitution.

"www.beadforlife.org/newsletter/Bead37printable.pdf"[/URL]
...
The link between poverty and prostitution is evident in the
United States as well. Each year 50,000 girls and young
women, and boys too, are brought to the US as sex
slaves to work in brothels around the country. But most
of the prostitutes in the US are local girls and women. An
article in the Denver Post this past week says that many
of the prostitutes in Denver are in middle school and
come from the poorest areas of Denver. The average
age in America that a girl enters into prostitution is 13.[/QUOTE]

And what is one of the talking points of OWS? The rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer? hmm...

And the reason you never heard of "Rape" at a tea party rally?

[PLAIN][URL]http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/teabag.jpg[/URL]

I could never rape someone who was wearing a "I [heart] Jesus" lanyard.

 

[WhoWee]

Two bad apples then. How many protesters have there been across the country? I'm betting it's a number big enough to make TWO seem pretty insignificant and unrepresentative of the sample as a whole. So please, stop trying to insinuate that the OWS protesters are rapists.

I posted 2 separate news reports of alleged rapes. I'm not insinuating anything. However, I'm specifying there is bad behavior at these Occupy events as evidenced by the total number of arrests and reports of police involvement. I will gladly post every report of bad behavior I can find if you'd like me to support this comment?

 

[WhoWee]

Because she was probably an under-aged hooker? I know people don't like to talk about such things.

She was a 14 year old runaway - so it's quite possible she has been abused by the predators of the night. It's also possible she assumed the Occupy protest would be a safe place with "cool" people - not that she'd end up in the tent of a sex offender.

I never know for sure when you are joking - I did like your TEA PARTY reasoning though (old guys).

 

[shashankac655]

Can hunger strikes work in your country?but you don't have to die.

At least ,people will not be damaging any public or private property or raping or things like that.

 

[WhoWee]

The "lack" of a cause is something pushed by the right-wing and their media stooges. I think that we all have a pretty good idea what Wall Street has done to this country over the past few decades. The right would love to make OWS condense these problems into a few sound-bites, so that they could use their media stooges to excoriate the protesters and demean them and their motivations.

We have overwhelming systemic corruption in big business and government and the media. When any proposal that might benefit the populace is decried as "socialism" and any proposal that might benefit the wealthy is elevated as "free-market capitalism" (corporate-welfare, anybody?), we have some serious disconnects in perception and language. George Orwell was prescient, and would have been shocked (IMO) to see how thoroughly doublethink has pervaded the US political "discourse".

There seems to be a difference in your opinion turbo - depending upon the thread. Is Government to blame or is Wall Street to blame? The time stamp on your following post is 8:50 AM today. my bold

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=544605&page=4

"Well, let me tell you what I'm doing. I'm riding out this wave of crap, hoping that my IRA will regain some value, and hoping that the Fed doesn't engage in another round of "quantitative easing", which is just another term for shoveling free money at Wall Street to keep the stock market from tanking in the short term. My wife has a 401K and I have a roll-over IRA that we had hoped would keep producing income for us as we retire (soon). We also have a large money-market account that is earning only about a half of a percent per year in interest because the Fed keeps shoveling free money at the banks, so they don't have to pay savers anything. In the past 30 years or so, big-money interests have taken over economic policy in DC to the extent that it will be very difficult for the next generation(s) to save enough money to even climb into what we now consider the middle-class."

 

[mheslep]

I thought this was funny.


http://news.yahoo.com/nyc-arrest-records-many-occupy-wall-street-protesters-045625415.html

I guess those folks mumble and cough during the "We are the 99%!" chants.

 

[WhoWee]

WhoWee does Char. Limit have any validity to these claims?

No he doesn't. However, I think the police and mayors in every city across the country now have a responsibility to observe the Occupied protesters more closely. Based on reports, they should be aware of and look for the following:
1.) registered sex offenders,
2.) underage girls,
3.) terror suspects (given the recent events in Oakland related to the docks),
4.) persons engaged in distributing illegal substances or engaging in any un-permitted sales (check vendor permits),
5.) health inspections
6.) vandalism and/or property damage (private and public)

We can add to the list as events develop.

 

[mheslep]

Bank Transfer Day

Finally, here is a great idea, only loosely related to the OWS movement, but unlike OWS it has a point, is focused, absent demagoguery, absent violence, and likely to be effective.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/11/03/can-credit-unions-make-a-success-of-bank-transfer-day/

 

[WhoWee]

Let's gain some perspective here. Tea-party events were typically one-day affairs populated by (often) retired people bused in for the events by organizers, and then bused back home. The occupy movement is long-term and continuous, and the larger events are organized enough to provide food and health-care services. Do you not think that such amenities (plus the attraction of a large crowd to blend into) might attract miscreants who are not socially or politically motivated? Comparing the occupy movement with the astroturf Tea-party movement is disingenuous, at best, especially when extrapolating incidents of criminality to condemn one or the other.

Do we have any reports of TEA Party people destroying their motel rooms or buses? Are there any reports of TEA Party vandals, public urination, illegal drug use, disorderly conduct, or other bad behavior?

I'm understanding your comment to indicate the TEA Party is comprised of peaceful protesters - mostly senior citizens that don't cause trouble and wouldn't engage in the behavior observed and reported at the Occupied locations - is this correct?

 

[WhoWee]

The latest reports from Oakland:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/us/protest-in-oakland-turns-violent.html
"Protest in Oakland Turns Violent"

"A roving group of about 100 mostly young men broke from the main group of protesters in a central plaza and roamed through downtown streets spraying graffiti, burning garbage and breaking windows. The police said some in the group briefly occupied a building on 16th Street near the port.

After warning the group to clear the building, which according to local media reports was vacant, officers in riot gear fired tear gas and bean bag rounds shortly after midnight local time. Dozens of protesters “wielding shields” were arrested, the police said; the building was cleared by around 2 a.m.

The spasm of violence early Thursday morning came after thousands of Occupy Oakland protesters had expanded their anti-Wall Street demonstrations on Wednesday, marching through downtown, picketing banks and swarming the port. By early evening, port authorities said maritime operations there were effectively shut down.

“Maritime area operations will resume when it is safe and secure to do so,” port officials said in a statement, asking marchers to “allow your fellow 99% to get home safe to their families.”"

There are real damages to recover (subrogation) at this point. Now the Occupiers might learn how the court system operates.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subrogation

 

[Proton Soup]

The "lack" of a cause is something pushed by the right-wing and their media stooges. I think that we all have a pretty good idea what Wall Street has done to this country over the past few decades. The right would love to make OWS condense these problems into a few sound-bites, so that they could use their media stooges to excoriate the protesters and demean them and their motivations.

We have overwhelming systemic corruption in big business and government and the media. When any proposal that might benefit the populace is decried as "socialism" and any proposal that might benefit the wealthy is elevated as "free-market capitalism" (corporate-welfare, anybody?), we have some serious disconnects in perception and language. George Orwell was prescient, and would have been shocked (IMO) to see how thoroughly doublethink has pervaded the US political "discourse".

it's not just the right, turbo. corporations are not just republican. stop falling for that. Jon Corzine is a Democrat.

if FOX is the right, and MSNBC the left, you really think you're getting anything about OWS agenda from MSNBC that isn't just fluff?

 

[turbo]

it's not just the right, turbo. corporations are not just republican. stop falling for that. Jon Corzine is a Democrat.

if FOX is the right, and MSNBC the left, you really think you're getting anything about OWS agenda from MSNBC that isn't just fluff?

I have not fallen for that dichotomy, PS. Both major parties are corrupt. Major corporations tend to give heavily to Republicans, but their lobbyists always hedge their bets with Democratic donations. Then you have finance and insurance companies, who throw money around like crazy to members of both parties.

I have not been enrolled in either party for many years, except for individual exceptions 'way back when I wanted to have some influence in a caucus or primary.

 

[WhoWee]

The latest reports from Oakland:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/us/protest-in-oakland-turns-violent.html
"Protest in Oakland Turns Violent"

"A roving group of about 100 mostly young men broke from the main group of protesters in a central plaza and roamed through downtown streets spraying graffiti, burning garbage and breaking windows. The police said some in the group briefly occupied a building on 16th Street near the port.

After warning the group to clear the building, which according to local media reports was vacant, officers in riot gear fired tear gas and bean bag rounds shortly after midnight local time. Dozens of protesters “wielding shields” were arrested, the police said; the building was cleared by around 2 a.m.

The spasm of violence early Thursday morning came after thousands of Occupy Oakland protesters had expanded their anti-Wall Street demonstrations on Wednesday, marching through downtown, picketing banks and swarming the port. By early evening, port authorities said maritime operations there were effectively shut down.

“Maritime area operations will resume when it is safe and secure to do so,” port officials said in a statement, asking marchers to “allow your fellow 99% to get home safe to their families.”"

There are real damages to recover (subrogation) at this point. Now the Occupiers might learn how the court system operates.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subrogation

This seems like a good time to remind everyone how concerned former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is about protests having the potential to turn into mob scenes where (in the past) people were injured and Harvey Milk was murdered. As turbo pointed out earlier in the thread - the TEA Party included a great number of peaceful retirees. Accordingly, Nancy Pelosi didn't have much to worry about from those protesters. However, this group of Occupiers must be of GREAT concern to her?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glenn...ng_violence_Was_she_invoking_Milk_murder.html

"September 17, 2009
Categories: Bad Behavior
Pelosi warns right of inciting "violence" — invoking Harvey Milk murder

An uncharacteristically emotional Nancy Pelosi is warning Republicans — and other groups getting whipped up over the health care debate — not to incite unstable supporters who might repeat acts of violence that struck San Francisco in the 1970s.

A top Pelosi aide later confirmed reporters' suggestions that her statement was a reference to the City Hall murder of gay rights activist Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone in November 1978 — an earth-shattering experience for Bay Area Democrats like the speaker."

If you support the Occupiers - PLEASE call Nancy Pelosi and comfort her.

******

On the other hand - the Democrats seem to want to get involved with the Occupiers - from a distance?
http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...es+-+Politics)&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

"Democrats to embrace 'Occupy' themes, if not movement itself"

 

[mheslep]

As turbo pointed out earlier in the thread - the TEA Party included a great number of peaceful retirees. ...

The Tea Party is not mostly retirees.

 

[Gokul43201]

The Tea Party is not mostly retirees.

But I think "included a great number" is not inaccurate either. From the NYT poll last year, the median age appears to be near the mid-50s and nearly a third are older than 64.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ea-party-poll-graphic.html?ref=politics#tab=9

 

[OmCheeto]

Finally, here is a great idea, only loosely related to the OWS movement, but unlike OWS it has a point, is focused, absent demagoguery, absent violence, and likely to be effective.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/11/03/can-credit-unions-make-a-success-of-bank-transfer-day/

That idea actually scares me.

If the bottom 99% transferred all their money to credit unions, it might degenerate into a total market crash.

But then again, if the bottom 99% transferred all their money to credit unions, and it had no effect, it would be even scarier. (Because then, everyone would know.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDZBgHBHQT8

 

[mheslep]

But I think "included a great number" is not inaccurate either. From the NYT poll last year, the median age appears to be near the mid-50s and nearly a third are older than 64.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ea-party-poll-graphic.html?ref=politics#tab=9

Then the US adult population also "includes a great number" of retirees. About a fifth of the US adult population is older than 64. BTW, Gallup at the same time as that NY Time poll (Spring 2010) said the TP almost exactly matches US adult demographics. Similar N. Somebody has the wrong rolodex.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx

 

[OmCheeto]

No he doesn't. However, I think the police and mayors in every city across the country now have a responsibility to observe the Occupied protesters more closely. Based on reports, they should be aware of and look for the following:
1.) registered sex offenders,
2.) underage girls,
3.) terror suspects (given the recent events in Oakland related to the docks),
4.) persons engaged in distributing illegal substances or engaging in any un-permitted sales (check vendor permits),
5.) health inspections
6.) vandalism and/or property damage (private and public)

We can add to the list as events develop.

drats! I wrote up a wonderful response to this post about an hour ago, and then pushed the wrong button. All gone...

let's see if I can recreate it in less that 5 minutes.

"Why did Char unsubscribe?..."

A. The grammar really sucked?
B. He's a fan of Eleanor Roosevelt?
C. It sucks to be associated with the human race?
D. None of the above.​

My vote of course, was B.

Great minds discuss ideas: What do the goofknuckle OWS people want? What do I want?
Mediocre minds discuss events: OWS! (That's me...)
Little minds discuss people: They're all a bunch of rapists!

skreeetch!...

although, in your own, roundabout way, WhoWee, you've pointed out that there are many problems with our society, that need fixing.

1.) registered sex offenders,
2.) underage girls,
3.) terror suspects (given the recent events in Oakland related to the docks),
4.) persons engaged in distributing illegal substances or engaging in any un-permitted sales (check vendor permits),
5.) health inspections
6.) vandalism and/or property damage (private and public)

Maybe this is a connection point for the OWS & Teabaggers, to join forces.

Stop all immigration!

Emma may have been correct back then, but I think we've reached the limit. We have more than enough wretched refuse in our inner cities...

1883
The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

and this is also probably a good time for Evo to pop in and say; "Over-Freakin-Population! Told ya!"

ps. I may have spent too much time at this forum. Perhaps it's time to move on.

 

[Evo]

and this is also probably a good time for Evo to pop in and say; "Over-Freakin-Population! Told ya!"

Damn straight it's over freaking population!

30 years ago, you picked out what apartment you wanted to live in and moved in. Now you go, you have to fill out an application, you have to be interviewed, they verify employment and income, they check your credit, check if you have a police record, check references, if approved, you go on a waiting list.

30 years ago if you wanted a job, you walked into a business and applied for a job and were hired the same day. Now you submit your resume online along with 10,000 others, you never get to speak to a human, and unless you know someone, it will never even get read. Too many people. Thank goodness I don't have to deal with that rat race, but I know too many that do.

 

[WhoWee]

The Tea Party is not mostly retirees.

Turbo and OMCheeto took an interest in painting the TEA Party as older peaceful folks that would not/perhaps could not rape anyone - this in sharp contrast to the (now violent) young protesters in the Occupied movement.

I think they've both been very effective in explaining that TEA Party rallies were controlled and peaceful - regardless of how they reached their respective conclusions.

 

[WhoWee]

drats! I wrote up a wonderful response to this post about an hour ago, and then pushed the wrong button. All gone...

let's see if I can recreate it in less that 5 minutes.

"Why did Char unsubscribe?..."

A. The grammar really sucked?
B. He's a fan of Eleanor Roosevelt?
C. It sucks to be associated with the human race?
D. None of the above.​

My vote of course, was B.

Great minds discuss ideas: What do the goofknuckle OWS people want? What do I want?
Mediocre minds discuss events: OWS! (That's me...)
Little minds discuss people: They're all a bunch of rapists!

skreeetch!...

although, in your own, roundabout way, WhoWee, you've pointed out that there are many problems with our society, that need fixing.



Maybe this is a connection point for the OWS & Teabaggers, to join forces.

Stop all immigration!

Emma may have been correct back then, but I think we've reached the limit. We have more than enough wretched refuse in our inner cities...



and this is also probably a good time for Evo to pop in and say; "Over-Freakin-Population! Told ya!"

ps. I may have spent too much time at this forum. Perhaps it's time to move on.

You'll be back.

 

[OmCheeto]

You'll be back.

Not if I get banned!

Many people whom I've adored, are no longer with us.(Nismar! CRGhttps://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=457261")

I so want to join them.

So much anger. So much to do. So little time.

hmmm...

odd.

[PLAIN]http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/1962/124922-bladerunroybatty.jpg

I seem to remember a similar bird.

 

[CAC1001]

Let's gain some perspective here. Tea-party events were typically one-day affairs populated by (often) retired people bused in for the events by organizers, and then bused back home. The occupy movement is long-term and continuous, and the larger events are organized enough to provide food and health-care services. Do you not think that such amenities (plus the attraction of a large crowd to blend into) might attract miscreants who are not socially or politically motivated? Comparing the occupy movement with the astroturf Tea-party movement is disingenuous, at best, especially when extrapolating incidents of criminality to condemn one or the other.

The Tea Party has been long-term and continuous as well. Note the influence it had in the Congressional elections, and in getting the government to discuss the debt and deficit issue. I also would not say it was astro-turf because an astro-turf movement isn't a real movement.

 

[CAC1001]

Weather derivatives?

Wow. If half of that is true...

Charles Koch, the CEO of Koch Industries who is worth a reported $22 billion, likes to call his business an example of something he describes as the “Science of Liberty.” In reality, his company’s deregulation crusade has contributed to rolling blackouts, consolidation and monopolies in financial markets, and economy-wrecking oil price spikes. In comments to the CFTC, the reform-minded nonprofit Better Markets noted that, “the history of these markets is a history of anti-competitive, self-interested, predatory conduct that serves the interest of the exclusive few at the expense of the many and the system as a whole.”

By the "deregulation crusade," I wonder if they're referring to the California episode of rolling blackouts after the supposed deregulation that occurred there, which if the case, what happened in California was not deregulation, it was just a form of re-regulation that caused the markets to act screwy. I think they are also over-simplifying the subject. Deregulation is not on its own going to lead to monopolies and consolidation in the financial markets. If anything, that's what often happens in response to increases in regulations. Regarding oil price spikes, oil is traded in the markets. This can either spike or reduce the price of oil, but that is what happens with trading.

Also, what industry is not anti-competitive, self-interested, and predatory? That's just the nature of capitalism. Sometimes, regulations are needed to reign in the excesses of such behavior. Other times, regulations are utilized by the industry players for these very reasons.

The Koch brothers themselves are libertarians, and thus philosophically against regulations, subsidies, and generally government tinkering with the market in any way. Koch Industries for example could benefit a lot from natural gas subsidies, but the company is against such subsidies. The reason the Kochs get villified so much is because their company is involved in a whole bunch of industries that the Left vitriolically (if that's a word) hate, and also love to regulate. Oil, finance, paper products (i.e. growing trees and cutting them down), etc...Koch Industries is in it.

The haters like to portray the Kochs as the cartoonish image of the ultra-greedy businessman, worth billions of dollars, but against any and all regulations that might cut into their profits, not caring about anyone. They ignore how many big companies in those industries benefit from said regulations and how Koch Industries is against regulations and subsidies that would benefit it as well. They also never bring up the libertarian philosophy of the Koch brothers and what its views on things are.

 

[CAC1001]

No it isn't.

Howso? Free societies do not result in everyone getting more equal in terms of equality of outcome. They DO result in everyone getting wealthier though, just everyone is unequally wealthy. In the 19th century, you had very poor Americans, and some very rich Americans. Today, we have "poor" and "rich," but even our poor are often wealthy by global standards (obesity is a problem among many of the poor for example). So in this sense, free societies result in a more equal outcome in terms of the base standard of living.

This may have once been partially true. But we are not talking about "a lot of wealthy people", we are talking about only a few extremely wealthy people who control of the majority of the worlds wealth. At the same time we are looking at a declining standard of living, Fewer jobs, increased debt, increased bankruptcy, rising unemployment, lack of quality affordable health care particularly for those in lower income brackets, those who have lost there jobs, etc.

A few people will always control the majority of the wealth, because only a few people have the drive, take the risk, experience the luck required, etc...to create such wealth. But the wealth isn't some fixed pie. The pie grows constantly. Fewer jobs is a problem of the current economic malaise, not the normal course of things. Lack of affordable healthcare is due to a variety of factors. Increased debt is largely the fault of people not being careful with their finances as they should.

Not sure what you mean by "equality of outcome"

Everyone comes out the same, so there are no rich, middle-income, or poor, everyone comes out the same, so the people who takes risks to start huge businesses, the people who work very hard at their jobs, and the people who sit on their butts, all have the same living standard.

When you have a greater equality of income the people living in that society generally have more freedom. When you have large disparities of income you have more people locked into a socio-economic class that becomes more and more difficult to escape the greater the disparity grows.

Free societies are not divided into fixed classes. So when you have disparities in incomes, those are just statistical income quintiles. They don't represent the actual people in the income quintiles, who move into and out of the income quintiles constantly. It's like when you hear that the highest-earning 1% are seeing their incomes increase while the rest of society stagnates. This gives the impression that the highest-earning 1% is a fixed-class of people. It isn't. A whole lot of people who were in the highest-earning 1% are now in one of the lower brackets, or not earning anything at all even. But yet the statistical quintile labeled "highest-earning 1%" remains. Income disparities also ignore the way society increases in wealth. You could make $40,000 your entire life, but $40K a year in 2011 will buy you a lot more than it would in 1991.

 

[LaurieAG]

You could make $40,000 your entire life, but $40K a year in 2011 will buy you a lot more than it would in 1991.

Like automobile fuel?

 

[WhoWee]

Like automobile fuel?

Maybe cell phones?

 

[OmCheeto]

Turbo and OMCheeto took an interest in painting the TEA Party as older peaceful folks that would not/perhaps could not rape anyone - this in sharp contrast to the (now violent) young protesters in the Occupied movement.

I think they've both been very effective in explaining that TEA Party rallies were controlled and peaceful - regardless of how they reached their respective conclusions.

Do you live in a shoebox?

Occupy Oakland bonfire made of trash can's and junk

Occupy Athens bonfire made of humans
[URL]http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/may2010/6/3/greek-riot-pic-reuters-389159773.jpg[/URL]

Your definition of violence is pathetic, IMHO.

 

[turbo]

Once again, the Tea Party rallies were day-long affairs populated by generally older people who were bused in and bused back home (thanks Koch brothers!) while the Occupy movements are ongoing long-term affairs. Please don't be too surprised if police and federal agencies are found to have planted agitators in these movements to try to stir up enough "justification" for police action.

 

[dlgoff]

... Please don't be too surprised if police and federal agencies are found to have planted agitators in these movements to try to stir up enough "justification" for police action.

Yep. A month ago I chimed in with this. Still looks similar to me.

I very rarely come to Politics & World Affairs and have only skimmed this thread.

Anyway, all this unrest resembles, IMO, the beginning of unrest during my college days at The Kansas University.

http://kuinfo.ku.edu/vision/"

[PLAIN]http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2004/12/19/protest1___t180.jpg?370a03faaa4bde2115f371a02430eb3e6a451be5[PLAIN]http://media.kansan.com/img/videothumbs/2009/12/03/DraftProtest1965__t180.jpg?370a03faaa4bde2115f371a02430eb3e6a451be5[PLAIN]http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2010/04/17/1970_Lawrence_025_t180.JPG?370a03faaa4bde2115f371a02430eb3e6a451be5 [/QUOTE]

 

[WhoWee]

Do you live in a shoebox?

Occupy Oakland bonfire made of trash can's and junk

Occupy Athens bonfire made of humans
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Your definition of violence is pathetic, IMHO.

Nice.

 

[mheslep]

... Please don't be too surprised if police and federal agencies are found to have planted agitators in these movements to try to stir up enough "justification" for police action.

Yep. A month ago I chimed in with this. Still looks similar to me.

These are grotesque apologies for and misdirection about violence against both property and person, and unsupported conspiracy theory instigation.

 

[WhoWee]

Once again, the Tea Party rallies were day-long affairs populated by generally older people who were bused in and bused back home (thanks Koch brothers!) while the Occupy movements are ongoing long-term affairs. Please don't be too surprised if police and federal agencies are found to have planted agitators in these movements to try to stir up enough "justification" for police action.

Can you support the Koch brothers comment? Also, why would the government led by President Obama - or the Eric Holder Justice Department or FBI or the Homeland Security departments - or ANY other federal department "have planted agitators in these movements to try to stir up enough "justification" for police action"? Can you support this?