Question regarding epsilon-delta proofs.

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In summary: Thanks very much everyone.In summary, the proof shows that if the limit of a function f(x) as x approaches a is equal to A, then the limit of 1/f(x) as x approaches a is equal to 1/A. This is achieved by choosing a small delta value that ensures f(x) remains within a certain range of A, and then manipulating the inequality to arrive at the desired result. The thought process involves starting with an exploratory argument and working backwards to determine the appropriate values for delta and epsilon.
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Prove that if ##\lim_{x\to a}f(x)=A\neq 0## then ##\lim_{x\to a}1/f(x)=1/A##

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This is a proof, so it's just an epsilon delta proof. I know the solution. I am asking about a thought process.

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Pick a ##\delta_1## small enough such that if ##\left|x-a\right|<\delta_1## then ##f(x)>A/2##

Then...

##\left|\frac{1}{f(x)}-\frac{1}{A}\right|=\left|\frac{f(x)-A}{f(x)A}\right|<\frac{2}{A^2}\left|f(x)-A\right|##

Now that it is in the form of ##\left|f(x)-A\right|## Now choose an ##\epsilon=\frac{A^2}{2}\epsilon## such that if ##\left|x-a\right|<\delta## then ##\left|f(x)-A\right|<\frac{A^2}{2}\epsilon## then ##\left|\frac{1}{f(x)}-\frac{1}{A}\right|=\frac{2}{A^2}\frac{A^2}{2} \epsilon = \epsilon## This completes the proof.

I understand why this proof works, but I do not understand the thought process to getting to this proof. There is some sort of creativity or accuracy in guessing an appropriate value for the choice of epsilon that completely eludes me. I've struggled over this for weeks and I have not had much leeway at all. If you were to begin this proof, how would you go about approaching the problem to choose the appropriate values for epsilon, and the first limit? I am specifically focusing on why A/2 was chosen (but I understand why A/3 or 3A/4 would also work, and why that would alter the subsequent epsilon). If I were just starting this problem out, what procedure would I pursue in my head to organize this and come up with this solution as a proof?
 
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Here is something more straightforward and once you've looked at it you will have better insight into the A/2 etc.:

Since ##\lim_{x \rightarrow a} f(x) = A## then for any ##\epsilon## > 0 there exists ##\delta## > 0 such that when |x - a | < ##\delta## then |f(x) - A| < ##\epsilon##. That last inequality is the same as:

A -##\epsilon## < f(x) < A + ##\epsilon##. So ##\frac {1}{A - \epsilon} > 1/f(x) > \frac {1}{A + \epsilon}##. Then ##\frac {1}{A - \epsilon} -1/A > 1/f(x) - 1/A > \frac {1}{A + \epsilon} -A##

Adding things up we get ##\frac {\epsilon}{A (A- \epsilon)} > 1/f(x) - 1/A > \frac {-\epsilon}{A(A + \epsilon)}##

Then |1/f(x) - 1/A| < ##k \epsilon/A^2## where k>0 is some constant to deal with the fact that I omitted the ##\epsilon## in the denominator.
 
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brmath said:
Here is something more straightforward and once you've looked at it you will have better insight into the A/2 etc.:

Since ##\lim_{x \rightarrow a} f(x) = A## then for any ##\epsilon## > 0 there exists ##\delta## > 0 such that when |x - a | < ##\delta## then |f(x) - A| < ##\epsilon##. That last inequality is the same as:

A -##\epsilon## < f(x) < A + ##\epsilon##. So ##\frac {1}{A - \epsilon} > 1/f(x) > \frac {1}{A + \epsilon}##. Then ##\frac {1}{A - \epsilon} -1/A > 1/f(x) - 1/A > \frac {1}{A + \epsilon} -A##

Adding things up we get ##\frac {\epsilon}{A (A- \epsilon)} > 1/f(x) - 1/A > \frac {-\epsilon}{A(A + \epsilon)}##

Then |1/f(x) - 1/A| < ##k \epsilon/A^2## where k>0 is some constant to deal with the fact that I omitted the ##\epsilon## in the denominator.

I understand everything you did until the last step. Why did you choose to eliminate the epsilon in the denominator? I also still don't see the connection to the A/2 at all. Thanks for the help.
 
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A + ##\epsilon ## is very close to A if ##\epsilon## is small. Rather than letting it linger around in the denominator, I called the denominator ##A^2##. Now what did that do to the inequality?

##(A-\epsilon)(A+\epsilon) = A^2 - \epsilon^2## which is a little smaller than ##A^2##. So the entire fraction will be larger than if I were dividing by ##A^2##. To reduce the fraction down to the same level, I threw in a k < 1 to knock the fraction back down to what it would have been had I not eliminated the ##\epsilon 's##; k does depend on ##\epsilon##, but it always exists.

Now the A/2. He wrote it rather sloppily -- he should have said |f -A| >| A/2|. What he means is to start where f is beginning to close in on A. The 2 is kind of arbitrary, and probably serves the same purpose as my k. That is, it allows us to be a bit sloppy with the inequalities so as to make the final answer neater.

I now remember that using A/2 is a standard way of doing this problem, and there are probably lots of books which do it that way.. It makes things a little neater than the way I did it. But as you say, it is not intuitive.
 
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To add to other's comments, since your question is about the thought process, I will add my 2 cents worth. I always start such problems with an "exploratory" argument. We want to make$$
\left| \frac 1 {f(x)} - \frac 1 A\right|$$ small. Rewriting it as$$
\left| \frac{A - f(x)}{Af(x)}\right|=\frac{|A-f(x)|}{|A||f(x)|}$$we know we can make the numerator small and hence the whole fraction small if we can keep the denominator away from ##0##. Luckily we are given ##A\ne 0##. So the problem becomes keeping ##f(x)## away from ##0##. We can do this by picking ##\delta## small enough so that ##f(x)## is within ##\frac {|A|} 2## of ##A##, hence away from ##0##. Now the problem becomes additionally picking ##\delta## small enough to make it all come out less than ##\epsilon##. That's the easy part once you get this far. When you are done you write the thought process out backwards, making the reader wonder "why did he pick that ##\delta##?".
 
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Ah, so it is a case of working backwards! That last reply helps a ton with my understanding of it. So, I make a statement along the lines of "this is what I want to end up with" then I explore the base functions (for instance, if the form has f(x)g(x) in it, I'd want to get it in the form of f(x)-a and g(x)-b. Sorry for my poor wording, but I think I am beginning to understand the process. It is definitely not an intuition that is easily seen once compacted into simple solutions that fit in books.
 
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Working backwards is a time honored approach. And as you point out, then when you work it forward, you can clean and tune up, so that eventually the original logic becomes obscured.
 

Related to Question regarding epsilon-delta proofs.

1. How do I know when to use an epsilon-delta proof?

Epsilon-delta proofs are typically used when proving the limit of a function or the continuity of a function. They are also commonly used in calculus and real analysis courses.

2. What is the purpose of using epsilon and delta in these proofs?

The purpose of using epsilon and delta is to show that for any small change (epsilon) in the output of a function, there exists a corresponding small change (delta) in the input that will result in the desired output change. This helps to formally prove the limit or continuity of a function.

3. How do I choose the values of epsilon and delta for a proof?

The values of epsilon and delta are usually given in the problem or defined in the proof. In some cases, you may need to choose values that work for the given function and its limit or continuity. It is important to choose values that are small enough to prove the desired result, but not too small that the proof becomes difficult to follow.

4. What are the key steps in an epsilon-delta proof?

The key steps in an epsilon-delta proof include setting up the definition of a limit or continuity, stating the given values of epsilon and delta, manipulating the given function to show that for any epsilon, there exists a corresponding delta, and using algebraic manipulations to prove the desired result.

5. Are there any tips for mastering epsilon-delta proofs?

Practice is key when it comes to mastering epsilon-delta proofs. It is also important to have a strong understanding of the definition of a limit and continuity, as well as algebraic manipulations and inequalities. Additionally, breaking the proof down into smaller steps and working through each step carefully can help make the process easier.

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