Van der Waals vs. Hydrogen bonds

In summary, the conversation discusses the differences between van der Waals interactions and hydrogen bonds, and the question of whether the potential for hydrogen bonds has a similar dependence as van der Waals. The answer is that hydrogen bonds can be approximated with a Lennard-Jones potential, which is also used in nuclear matter systems. However, the full interaction of hydrogen bonds requires quantum chemistry and is not a simple function of distance.
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I know that the two are different thing, that vdW appears in inert gas crystals and alike while hydrogen bond bonds molecules of water. My question is, how does the potential look for hydrogen bond?

For vdWaals we have the two terms proportional to 1/R^6 that describes attraction and 1/R^12 that describes repulsion. Can we say that hydrogen bond has similar dependence? I am curiou cause in nuclear matter systems we say that nuclear matter has forces between nucleons similar as forces between water molecules, but then we use the vdW like potential. So I am not sure, can we compare it with water bonds or not?
 
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To a very rough approximation, the answer is yes (edit: that is, hydrogen bonds can be approximated with an LJ potential). I'm assuming that for the nuclear interaction, you're referring to the liquid drop model, which is a semi-empirical model of nuclear structure. Your 6-12 potential is known as a Lennard-Jones potential, and it's also semi-empirical. The 1/r6 term comes from dispersion, but the 1/r12 term is merely a "big repulsive wall" for computational convenience. Molecular dynamics water models use Lennard-Jones potentials with varying degrees of sophistication, and these usually do a decent job of replicating several facets of liquid water behavior. However, a full reckoning of the hydrogen bond requires quantum chemistry and the interaction is not a simple function of distance.
 
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What are Van der Waals and Hydrogen bonds?

Van der Waals and Hydrogen bonds are types of intermolecular forces that hold molecules together in a substance. They are weaker than covalent bonds, which are chemical bonds that hold atoms together within a molecule.

How are Van der Waals and Hydrogen bonds different?

Van der Waals bonds are created by the attractive forces between temporary dipoles in non-polar molecules, while Hydrogen bonds are formed between molecules that have a hydrogen atom bonded to a highly electronegative atom, such as oxygen or nitrogen. Van der Waals bonds are weaker than Hydrogen bonds, and their strength decreases as the distance between molecules increases.

Which type of bond is stronger?

Hydrogen bonds are generally stronger than Van der Waals bonds. This is because Hydrogen bonds involve the attraction between a positively charged hydrogen atom and a highly electronegative atom, resulting in a stronger force.

How do Van der Waals and Hydrogen bonds affect the properties of a substance?

The presence of Van der Waals and Hydrogen bonds can affect the physical properties of a substance. For example, substances with strong Van der Waals bonds tend to have higher boiling points and melting points due to the increased strength of the intermolecular forces. Hydrogen bonds can also affect the solubility of a substance in water.

Can Van der Waals and Hydrogen bonds be found in the same substance?

Yes, both Van der Waals and Hydrogen bonds can exist in the same substance. For example, water molecules have both Hydrogen bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms, as well as Van der Waals bonds between the individual molecules.

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