Wikipedia is the differences in spelling

[Shahil]

Hey guys :)

One thing that really gets me whilst reading sites like Wikipedia is the differences in spelling (US English vs. British English) that are o various Wikipedia sites. One of the main differences is the use of -ize in US English compared to -ise in British English. South African English does use both of these with a preferences towards the British spelling. I, honestly, prefer the British spelling and if I really get irritated, I edit the Wikipedia pages and change the American spelling to British.

Anyway, what I wanted to know ... What's your take on this? I know that a lot of the members here are from the United States and do you feel the same when you come across a British spelling rather than the American spelling.

Here's the Ubuntu as well as another, free site that was listed on the Wikipedia site that list the variations.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
http://www3.telus.net/linguisticsissues/BritishCanadianAmerican.htm

 

[cristo]

Well, I prefer English as opposed to American English, but then I'm bound to say that. I say good on you for trying to change the American way!

 

[redargon]

South African and British English are built into my genes, I find color and other American words disturbing to read and also feel compelled to change them. Also the use of single l's, like marveling instead of marvelling, bugs me a little. The -ise and -ize not so much, but I prefer -ise.

Where does American English orignate from? British settlers or other colonists maybe, never really thought about it.

 

[Moonbear]

I don't know where the single l's came from, actually. When I was a kid, we were taught double l's too. I never saw those words spelled with a single l until Microsoft Word started including SpellCheck. I'm pretty sure it's Bill Gates' own misspelling forced upon everyone.

Otherwise, growing up in the US, I use US spelling of words. It doesn't bug me to see British spelling, because I know what it is. Though, why would you change Wikipedia pages to British spelling? Wikipedia is a US-based site. Then again, spelling is the least of my worries when considering Wikipedia entries.

 

[neu]

Question remains as to why there is a different spelling in the US.

Mom p***es me off. How does Mum sound like Mom?

 

[Kurdt]

Uk all the way. At least we know what a biscuit is :tongue:

 

[cristo]

I don't know where the single l's came from, actually. When I was a kid, we were taught double l's too. I never saw those words spelled with a single l until Microsoft Word started including SpellCheck. I'm pretty sure it's Bill Gates' own misspelling forced upon everyone.

The l thing is weird: there are words like 'fulfil', which are written in American as 'fulfill', but then words like 'travelling' that are written in American as 'traveling.' That looks like a classic case of 'the Brits do this so we'll do the opposite' :rofl:

 

[cristo]

Uk all the way. At least we know what a biscuit is :tongue:

Hear, hear!

 

[GeorginaS]

I'm wildly in favour of the superfluous use of the letter u.

 

[cristo]

I'm wildly in favour of the superfluous use of the letter u.

They're not superfluous :grumpy:

 

[LowlyPion]

My preference is for the English spellings even though they are less compact for the most part. It seems that the more letters that words have the less likely they are to be confused with each other. Speaking from my perceptual experience, I think the extra letters appeal to reinforcing the cadence of the written word into thought and facilitates my understanding of what is said.

But I rather fear that the American compact forms are like kudzu, fertilized by technology standardizations, that will eventually strangle the last remaining islands of traditional English use. Today's UK English will likely go the way of the 18th century's Olde English - recognized but archaic.

I myself have succumbed to using the American forms because I think most (though I recognize not all) people are more likely tuned to seeing them, and then too spelling checkers in email and even in these PhysicsForum message boxes reinforce the American spellings.

 

[Kurdt]

Does anyone know what spelling the Chinese are learning since they're about to become the largest English speaking nation on the planet?

 

[WarPhalange]

British English is like putting racing stripes on your car. It doesn't actually do anything besides make people chuckle behind your back.

-ise? Do you pronounce it with "s" or "z"? I pronounce for example realize with a "z" sound. So why not write it like it sounds? Extra "u"s that are mostly silent? What the hell? It's a waste of time in an attempt to look sophisticated. It's not, it's just stupid.

 

[cristo]

So why not write it like it sounds?

Hay, letz rite everything how it sownds.

 

[seycyrus]

The l thing is weird: there are words like 'fulfil', which are written in American as 'fulfill', but then words like 'travelling' that are written in American as 'traveling.' That looks like a classic case of 'the Brits do this so we'll do the opposite' :rofl:

The base word is travel.

Do you consider the additive to be "ing" or "ling"

Do you go partyling or partying on the weekends?

Why throw on the extra l in travel? Not needed.

I can't even speculate where "mum" came from...? All the origin searches I found talked about roots that started with "mo" no "mu"'ness anywhere to be found.

mum's the word?

 

[Kurdt]

Mum probably comes from German where mother is mutter.

 

[WarPhalange]

Hay, letz rite everything how it sownds.

It works in most other languages. English has got to have the dumbest writing system ever.

Great sounds like "ate", but "meat" sounds like "eet". What the hell? And you actually support this kind of writing system? Seriously? Do you think it makes you look smart or something? Because it has no practical use. It's highly inefficient and needlessly complicated.

 

[seycyrus]

Mum probably comes from German where mother is mutter.

The high germanic origin is muoter.

 

[Kurdt]

It works in most other languages. English has got to have the dumbest writing system ever.

Great sounds like "ate", but "meat" sounds like "eet". What the hell? And you actually support this kind of writing system? Seriously? Do you think it makes you look smart or something? Because it has no practical use. It's highly inefficient and needlessly complicated.

Its not about looking smart. Thats how things are spelled. Besides if you start writing how things sound then you'll be in all sorts of trouble that the dictionary solved hundreds of years ago. People have regional accents that will make their spelling so much different to other places.

 

[WarPhalange]

Its not about looking smart. Thats how things are spelled.

Spelt.

Besides if you start writing how things sound then you'll be in all sorts of trouble that the dictionary solved hundreds of years ago. People have regional accents that will make their spelling so much different to other places.

Yeah, and people have regional accents in Japan too but everything is spelled as it sounds.

If you want to spell "suzuki" (and don't know the Kanji for it), you put the characters for "su", "zu", and "ki" together. It's pretty basic. But in English we'd spell it Suhzookey because why? I don't get it.

We need to retool the entire English writing system. The spoken part is great, but writing it is unnecessarily hard because of stupid rules like silent letters.

Transverse -> transvers
Temperature -> temperatur (or er)

Two/to/too -> to. How do you tell the difference? Context. That's how we tell them apart when we speak (Another crappy word. Why don't we pronounce the A?).

c/ck/k -> k

c as in cytrus -> s so it's systrus.

What to do with c? Make it a "ch" sound. "sh" might be unavoidable, but I think I've already cleaned up the language a bit. Think of how much time and space it would save if we didn't have so many unneccesary letters.

 

[cristo]

Spelt.

Both the irregular (spelt) and the regular (spelled) are permitted in English.

Transverse -> transvers

That would rhyme with "hers" instead of rhyming with "verse." These are distinct sounds.

Temperature -> temperatur (or er)

That would rhyme with "metre" (or meter) and instead of rhyming with "sure"

c/ck/k -> k

But then what to do in, say, the word "clock"? The sounds at the beginning and the end of the word are strictly different.

Think of how much time and space it would save if we didn't have so many unneccesary letters.

You've not improved anything: you've just bastardised the language such that it looks like the way that you pronounce the words. This might work in American, but you should note that not everyone in the English speaking world pronounces the words in the same way as you do.

 

[Kurdt]

It can be spelled or spelt.

How about alyoominium?

 

[cristo]

How about alyoominium?

That would be spelt "alyoominum," though

 

[Evo]

Uk all the way. At least we know what a biscuit is :tongue:

Cookies are not biscuits! You need to come to the US and learn about food. :grumpy:

Spelt is an ancient type of wheat.

And this is a yorkshire pudding as they should be made, none of those tiny round things.

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/2706/yorkshirepuddingvg8.gif

Biscuits

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3473/buttermilkbiscuitspf9.jpg

Cookies

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4977/sugarcookiesefd0.jpg

 

[cristo]

Cookies are not biscuits!

All cookies are biscuits, but not all biscuits are cookies

I agree with you on the yorkshire pudding (in fact, it can be the shape of any container you may have!).

 

[George Jones]

instead of rhyming with "sure"

In Atlantic Canada, "sure" doesn't rhyme with "sure"!

Spelt is an ancient type of wheat.

Canadians can go either way; I use "spelt".

 

[Dale]

One of the great strengths of English is the fact that it is a very "permissive" language. Without shame it uses all sorts of words from many other languages. To me it is not surprising that such a permissive and eclectic language has odd and inconsistent features like British-v-American spelling.

Frankly, I am much less bothered by spelling differences than by the fact that we still have not adopted the SI units and the 24-hour clock.

 

[WarPhalange]

Both the irregular (spelt) and the regular (spelled) are permitted in English.

That's my point. It's ridiculous.

That would rhyme with "hers" instead of rhyming with "verse." These are distinct sounds.

Hers -> herz

That would rhyme with "metre" (or meter) and instead of rhyming with "sure"

meter -> meter

temperature -> temperatur

ur vs er. ur would have more of the "ure" sound to it.

But then what to do in, say, the word "clock"? The sounds at the beginning and the end of the word are strictly different.

That's news to me! I've been saying it exactly the same all my life. Or are you referring to that straight line we like to call and "L"? Yeah, that's a different letter.

You've not improved anything: you've just bastardised the language such that it looks like the way that you pronounce the words. This might work in American, but you should note that not everyone in the English speaking world pronounces the words in the same way as you do.

Yeah, the British accent is a load of garbage. Drawring? WTF? It's ridiculous. At least Scottish sounds cool and is used as the accent of dwarves in movies.

I *think* the Scottish and Irish accents derived from the locals speaking Celtic or whatever their native tongues were at the time. How did the British accent develop? German doesn't sound anything like it.

And then you have the abomination called "Australian", but they get a pass because they were a boat load of convicts and it's freaking hot over there. Brain damage is inevitable.

 

[seycyrus]

What country uses a 24 hour clock?

 

[WarPhalange]

Most European countries use 24-hour clocks regularly, even if not exclusively. Only time I see 24-hour time here is when it's related to the military or my professor tells me when to meet him, and he travels to Europe frequently so that's probably why.

 

[Kurdt]

I think the British accent is a melding of saxon and celtic. Its very much more French sounding down south and a lot more saxon Germanic up north.

 

[cristo]

Hers -> herz
meter -> meter

temperature -> temperatur

ur vs er. ur would have more of the "ure" sound to it.

Well, we can keep on like this, but at the end we will find out why such changes have not been made: because they are bound to cause contradictions.

That's news to me! I've been saying it exactly the same all my life. Or are you referring to that straight line we like to call and "L"? Yeah, that's a different letter.

Were you not taught these things in school? A 'c' has a lighter pronunciation than a 'k.' Again, if you want to change this, go ahead, but you won't be speaking or writing English anymore!

Yeah, the British accent is a load of garbage. Drawring? WTF? It's ridiculous.

That is not how the word drawing is supposed to be pronounced: anyone you hear pronouncing it that way is pronouncing it incorrectly.

Another thing that happens when you change the words, and the spelling of words is that you lose the distinction between words. For example, consider the words 'meter' and 'metre.' In English, the former is something that is used to measure something (a gas meter, say), but the latter is the SI unit of length.

What country uses a 24 hour clock?

Pretty much any country outside North America.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Yeah, and people have regional accents in Japan too but everything is spelled as it sounds.

If you want to spell "suzuki" (and don't know the Kanji for it), you put the characters for "su", "zu", and "ki" together. It's pretty basic. But in English we'd spell it Suhzookey because why? I don't get it.

The Japanese have a phonetic writing system, and if they used it then it would true that writing follows pronounciation exactly. However, they don't use it. The system they do use is the eighth wonder of the world. The characters that make up the name Suzuki could also be pronounced Reimoku and there is no visible cue which is correct, you just have to know. For example, my wife's name is Mei-Ling in Chinese. Some Japanese call her Misuzu while others call her Birei because both pronounciations are possible given the characters in her name.

 

[seycyrus]

Most European countries use 24-hour clocks regularly, even if not exclusively.

Interesting. When I learned spanish, I was taught stuff like "6 in the evening" rather than "1800"

 

[Hootenanny]

By-the-by WarPhalange, what is your native language? If it is English, I'd love to know which accent you speak with.